eL and opinions about it

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Can you give me one reason why a bloke from Dublin should choose to be a Chelseas fan?

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Because in this modern, high strung, long hours, poor pay life that we have people choose different forms of escapism. A Dubliner might look at Bohs, UCD, Rovers etc. and think that following these teams might not reach the level of success that will help him leave his humdrum life, if only for 90 minutes. Hence they go for a United, Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea, a team that will let them dream that they are scoring the winning goal at an FA Cup Final. I mean lets face it, most EL fans wouldn't be arsed dreaming about scoring the winner in the FAI Cup final, let alone the barstooler.

Plus a Dubliner, for instance, could be a self hating Dub, and hence would want no association with the football community in the city, something which is about all we have to offer a barstooler, and so will turn to a club like Chelsea that allows them to escape the city, again even if it is just for 90 minutes

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Originally Posted by TheBoss

Do any of you think, if the stadiums were of the highest order in terms facilities and they were all seater stadiums, maybe 5-10 thousand capacity, would that make more fans go to the games ?

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No, the standard of player in the league needs to improve, as those the mentality deployed by the managers on the pitch

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Originally Posted by jebus

Because in this modern, high strung, long hours, poor pay life that we have people choose different forms of escapism. A Dubliner might look at Bohs, UCD, Rovers etc. and think that following these teams might not reach the level of success that will help him leave his humdrum life, if only for 90 minutes. Hence they go for a United, Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea, a team that will let them dream that they are scoring the winning goal at an FA Cup Final. I mean lets face it, most EL fans wouldn't be arsed dreaming about scoring the winner in the FAI Cup final, let alone the barstooler.

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But why would he choose Chelsea?

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Originally Posted by Dodge

But why would he choose Chelsea?

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Dodge, surely by now you must realise your average man on the street is a bit of an oik??

I'd imagine he'd choose Chelsea because they were going to be on the big screen 30 times a season, you know, so he could really get involved in supporting the club

About 12 years ago, I went to a Limerick FC game in Rathbane, but this time I took a friend of mine, a guy who had moved home from London when he was about 12, and was a big Spurs fan, but more than that he was a big football fan, playing and watching.

I remember noticing that day, I was watching the game from a different point of view. When I went to games by myself, or with my LFC-loving family, I just thought about the game, hoped we'd win.

But that day I became aware of how the ground looked, how the fans sounded, what the skill level was like, because I was concerned about how my friend would react to the experience, and I guess I felt responsible for his enjoyment (or lack of). As it turns out, he liked it, but being a UCG student at the time, he ended up being more of a Galway fan.

Looking at the situation through the eyes of a first-time, tentatively interested visitor, what do they need to see to bring them back again, and how much of that does the eL actually provide?

I realise that the main problem is getting people to go in the first place, but I think the factors involved in answering the above question would help address that problem also.

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Originally Posted by micls

Maybe. Why cant they do both though? For example would you or other people from Limerick support Kilkenny in hurling? After all they are a better team.

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Well said micls.

The attitude of anto1208, is like the people in Accrington who don't bother their rock and roll to watch Stanley but wear ManUre shirts. The difference is you don't see them supporting Bayern Munich or some other foreign team on the spurious basis of so-called quality of the product on offer.
If the ELOI charged FA Premier League prices , then you can bring the quality argument into place and make an argument based on perceived value for money. If the product on offer is cheaper, by implication it does not need to attain the same standards as the more expensive one, to be equal if not better value for money.

Another thing that ****es me off is Ken Doherty advertising an Irish poker website. '' Because it's an Irish only site with Irish only competition''.Surely an Irish only poker site cannot be as good as a foreign one, because by implication there would be fewer competitors? Well he supports ManUre because he perceives that it is better than the ELOI which is an Irish only League. If that is his attitude toward football, why not the same towards poker. Hypocritical surely?

The Accrington people who ignore Stanley and claim to be football fans are no good to man or beast. Anto1208 I am pleased you put a smile beside one of your other remarks in your initial post. Because otherwise I would have deduced you used to be a ELOI supporter and you used to be a human being by the same token.
Particularly given your home town's unfortunate history on the other subject.

jebus

I went to an ELOI Premier League game at Dalymount Park about 10 years ago and I got a lift home from a Bohs player whom I happened to know at the time. That would never happen if I ONLY followed foreign football.
I have gotten to know players, managers, referees, club directors, fans etc across the League through supporting UCD. It's been a terrific experience. I bought shares in Waterford United as a gesture of solidarity to the club. I'd do the same for any other club which wanted to have a share issue. The League is more than just one club. We need all the others to have someone to play against. And we need them all to do reasonably well off the field to stay in existence. Once that is established we can kick their ass in every game with out fear or favour.

http://forum.football365.com/index.p...ded=1&&start=0

Opinions of Irish fans of British football

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Originally Posted by gustavo

http://forum.football365.com/index.p...ded=1&&start=0

Opinions of Irish fans of British football

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interesting read that.

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Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie

jebus

I went to an ELOI Premier League game at Dalymount Park about 10 years ago and I got a lift home from a Bohs player whom I happened to know at the time. That would never happen if I ONLY followed foreign football.
I have gotten to know players, managers, referees, club directors, fans etc across the League through supporting UCD. It's been a terrific experience. I bought shares in Waterford United as a gesture of solidarity to the club. I'd do the same for any other club which wanted to have a share issue. The League is more than just one club. We need all the others to have someone to play against. And we need them all to do reasonably well off the field to stay in existence. Once that is established we can kick their ass in every game with out fear or favour.

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I agree with all of that, but I still don't see how UCD mid tabling the Premier most season would bring in people who see football purely as a form of escapism, which a lot do, over say Chelsea who will be challenging for the Champions League this season

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Originally Posted by gustavo

http://forum.football365.com/index.p...ded=1&&start=0

Opinions of Irish fans of British football

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Good read for anyone who doesn't understand why some people can't be bothered with this league. I agree that the prices are far too high for whats on offer, good point made by the sligo resident who lived in Bordeaux last year on ticket prices. Honestly can see why he wouldn't pay more for watching Sligo vs (let's say)Derry than Bordeaux vs PSV in the Champions League

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Originally Posted by jebus

Good read for anyone who doesn't understand why some people can't be bothered with this league. I agree that the prices are far too high for whats on offer, good point made by the sligo resident who lived in Bordeaux last year on ticket prices. Honestly can see why he wouldn't pay more for watching Sligo vs (let's say)Derry than Bordeaux vs PSV in the Champions League

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I think every one knows all the excuses. If they had half a brain they'd know that if Sligo were getting 15,000-20,000 at each game they wouldn't have to pay €15

And the bottom line is that Irish football fans who don't support a LOI team just don't understand what a football club means

As I've said I don't care wha thee people think

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Originally Posted by Dodge

If they had half a brain they'd know that if Sligo were getting 15,000-20,000 at each game they wouldn't have to pay €15

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Do you think Sligo would drop prices?

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Originally Posted by TheBoss

Do any of you think, if the stadiums were of the highest order in terms facilities and they were all seater stadiums, maybe 5-10 thousand capacity, would that make more fans go to the games ?

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I thnik it would to be honest really .

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Originally Posted by osarusan

Do you think Sligo would drop prices?

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Well its a chicken and egg thing. I don't think they would've raised them in the first place...

And of course better facilities helps, but then clubs can't afford to do anything to the grounds because not enough money is coming through the turnstiles

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Originally Posted by gustavo

I thnik it would to be honest really .

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Agreed. People don't go (initially at least) for the football only. They want to have an enjoyable time.

Good facilities, 7,500 seater stadiums, a bit of decent food.......will all enhance the quality of the occasion, regardless of the quality of the football.

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Originally Posted by osarusan

Good facilities, 7,500 seater stadiums, a bit of decent food.......will all enhance the quality of the occasion, regardless of the quality of the football.

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Yep. All we need to do now is pay for it...

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Yep. All we need to do now is pay for it...

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It was a hypothetical question......no mention of funds, all I did was answer it.

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Originally Posted by jebus

I agree with all of that, but I still don't see how UCD mid tabling the Premier most season would bring in people who see football purely as a form of escapism, which a lot do, over say Chelsea who will be challenging for the Champions League this season

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Wouldn't it be a very boring world if we all supported the same 2 or 3 teams?Who the hell would those teams play?

The whole idea of the Champions League is that you have to qualify for it therefore it is an exclusive competition.

I have to thank you though because you have just confirmed what I have always thought of the Irish public and that is that they are simply a glory hunting bunch of bandwagon jumpers!

On an aside though how do your combat 18 mates at Chelsea take to an Irish person following their beloved BRTISH team?

Remember Landsdowne Road in 1993?

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Originally Posted by osarusan

Do you think Sligo would drop prices?

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Most London-based League One and Two clubs in England charge £20 for a seat (£15 or so standing), which is more like €30. I don't see how people can complain about €15 going to Sligo Rovers or even €20 to Galway United etc

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Originally Posted by btid1

Wouldn't it be a very boring world if we all supported the same 2 or 3 teams?Who the hell would those teams play?

The whole idea of the Champions League is that you have to qualify for it therefore it is an exclusive competition.

I have to thank you though because you have just confirmed what I have always thought of the Irish public and that is that they are simply a glory hunting bunch of bandwagon jumpers!

On an aside though how do your combat 18 mates at Chelsea take to an Irish person following their beloved BRTISH team?

Remember Landsdowne Road in 1993?

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You clown. He's a Limerick 37 fan. And, for some unclear reason, a Sheffield Wednesday fan.

He was making a point in relation to a post earlier in this thread. Which you clearly didnt bother to read.

You've confirmed what I've thought about you, too.

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Originally Posted by osarusan

You clown. He's a Limerick 37 fan. And, for some unclear reason, a Sheffield Wednesday fan.

He was making a point in relation to a post earlier in this thread. Which you clearly didnt bother to read.

You've confirmed what I've thought about you, too.

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Wrong end of the stick then.But my point remains valid as it is quite clear that the Irish public are only interested in something if it is successful or seen as "cool" by their mates!

Good to see that your Stephen Ireland obsession has spread to EL bashing.

Can I ask you a question.Who do you support?