Robbed again

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Originally Posted by Dodge

But it does matter to some. Which is the ****ing point. Just becasue you don't care about it doesn't mean it doesn't matter

And as pointed out above they made several proposals, its hardly their fault if the media pick on one...

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no you are are wrong, what matters is people losing their jobs, etc.
Like most people (well maybe not students) i work everyday and come home tired, slump in front of the box and watch the news. All week i didnt see or hear Labour talk about the pay rises and nothing about workers losing their jobs. Im sorry but if they want to be taken seriosuly as an opposition they SHOULD be on TV, on prime time tv, tackling these issues. But i do hear them talking about this marriage issue. yeah of course it matters to some, but not to all, and thats the point.
FF have it easy cause there is absolutely no opposition in the country to seriously tackle them when they slip, and by god they slip a lot. And if you want to blame the media then fine, but i blame the opposition for giving up and looking scared of the FF animal

Funny how gay rights can take preference over job losses:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by bennocelt

Funny how gay rights can take preference over job losses:rolleyes:

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For the last time, stop assuming everybody is like you, and stop assuming they only made one statement last week. Seriously, can you not ****ing read or are you just plain ignorent?

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Originally Posted by Dodge

You're making an awful lot of assumptions there Ringo. As is standard with you...

I wouldn't be too bothered abotu somebody posting anonymously on the internet about what they have or haven't done.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

For the last time, stop assuming everybody is like you, and stop assuming they only made one statement last week. Seriously, can you not ****ing read or are you just plain ignorent?

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Maybe you should start attacking the post & not the posters. By all means if you disagree with someone, your entitled to your opinion, but calling someone is ignorant or illiterate is over the top on a discussion forum.

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Originally Posted by bennocelt

the point is the Labour party are useless and are obsessed about these kinds of things, rather than say workers rights................which might just go to explaining why they are in such a sorry state at the moment

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Proof the labour party can't win - every other week it's accused of being run by Liberty Hall. That was the list for the week up to date of posting of the non-civil unions issues the Labour Party was raising. Hardly civil unions only :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by bennocelt

and for the record i dont care about the proposed legislation regarding same sex marriages..........since its such a non event to many people anyway.......

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It's not a "non issue" to same sex couples being discriminated against by the state. Again, just because it's not important to you doesn't mean it's not important. Would've been a non-issue anyway if the Government had allowed passage to committee stage - instead it'll be lucky to be in this Dáil.

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Originally Posted by Ringo

Maybe you should start attacking the post & not the posters. By all means if you disagree with someone, your entitled to your opinion, but calling someone is ignorant or illiterate is over the top on a discussion forum.

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Its not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing with him. He's been proven wrong a couple of times but refuses to acknowledge it. He continually talks about "what the people want", and tbh thats a particular pet hate of mine.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Its not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing with him. He's been proven wrong a couple of times but refuses to acknowledge it. He continually talks about "what the people want", and tbh thats a particular pet hate of mine.

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What bugs me is the people voted & made their decision. Calling people idiots or gullible is ridiculous. At the end of this government, people will again make a choice. That’s the beauty of democracy. I’d also hate people who snipe & give out, but aren’t prepared to join a party and work for what they want.

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Originally Posted by Ringo

What bugs me is the people voted & made their decision. Calling people idiots or gullible is ridiculous. At the end of this government, people will again make a choice. That’s the beauty of democracy. I’d also hate people who snipe & give out, but aren’t prepared to join a party and work for what they want.

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Don't see how that relates to me (and it was me to whom you were replying) but as it happens I agree with you.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Don't see how that relates to me (and it was me to whom you were replying) but as it happens I agree with you.

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I was qouteing you and agreeing with you at the same time!!
If people don't like the set up of the government, then do something about it.

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Originally Posted by Ringo

What bugs me is the people voted & made their decision.

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Fair enough.

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Originally Posted by Ringo

Calling people idiots or gullible is ridiculous.

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Not if they're now going around complaining about the decisions and behaviour of the Government they voted for! They are idiots if they're now complaining about health cuts, poor economic outlook and what looks like a cut back budget when the exact same thing happened after the last election. People who are complaining who voted FF/PD are idiots imo.

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Originally Posted by Ringo

At the end of this government, people will again make a choice.

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Yes, and the gullible idiots have to be constantly reminded as they obviously have a short memory.

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Originally Posted by Ringo

I’d also hate people who snipe & give out, but aren’t prepared to join a party and work for what they want.

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Not necessarily through party politics though if they have a specific issues, but am coming round to this view point (and have actually done it post election).

I am not suggesting that Labour do not care about this issue but I am sure the fact the Green Party voted with this issue the last time it raised has a lot to do with it being raised so early in the current Dail. The Green Party better get used to this as I am sure the opposition have a number of other issues like this to embarrass them into explaining u-turns.

Actually, Labour said they'd bring it forward again in 6 months when it fell the last time. Any embarrassment for the Greens is their own making.

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Originally Posted by pete

I am not suggesting that Labour do not care about this issue but I am sure the fact the Green Party voted with this issue the last time it raised has a lot to do with it being raised so early in the current Dail. The Green Party better get used to this as I am sure the opposition have a number of other issues like this to embarrass them into explaining u-turns.

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Correct Pete. The Green party did, and still do, support the issue. However, now they will have to support the FF (oops, sorry, Government) version of the Bill. Indeed, there is a theory that the Labour Party proposal was deliberately poorly worded to embarass the Greens into not supporting it (in favour of a promised bill from FF which will inevitably be watered down to bring the conservative wing on board).
At least Labour have something to gain from attacking the Greens. FG's attack of the Greens at every opportunity is getting so tiresome. There are (imo) very few Green voters who would switch to FG.

It is a win-win for Labour. If the Greens don't support gives Labour ammunition to attack with & if the Greens back it Labour get kudos for implementing legislation from the opposition benches.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

For the last time, stop assuming everybody is like you, and stop assuming they only made one statement last week. Seriously, can you not ****ing read or are you just plain ignorent?

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showing your true colours here, typical

everybody is into same sex marriages, yeah you are right we all are, its the number one talking point in the whole country.................never mind people trying to get on the property ladder, health, the state of the roads, and corruption in FF..............but no you are right :rolleyes:

one statement................maybe they made lots of statements, but the only one that they came onto TV was over same sex marriages, and the 6one news is the one the average joe public looks at......not crawling the internet to see what labour said this week or that

by the way isnt it interesting that the only real criticism (apart from FG's leo vad) about the pay rises came from within FF itself
As i have been saying the opposition have let the people down

but yeah you are right labour have got it spot on with same sex marriages, will def get my vote in the next election:(

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Originally Posted by Ringo

Happily admit i voted FF & the reason the i and so many others did, is that there was and is still not a strong alternative, its a simple as that. What will be the alternative the next time?

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You're not supposed to concentrate on the opposition. Of course, there's not a strong enough alternative, because they haven't ruled for 10 years. That's why we have elections.

In an election, you're supposed to judge the current government's performance over the last term. If you think they didn't perform, then don't put an x beside their candidate in the election.

We don't have elections for the electorate to simply ratify FF for another 5 years. We have elections to either keep 'em in, or kick 'em out.

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Originally Posted by mypost

In an election, you're supposed to judge the current government's performance over the last term. If you think they didn't perform, then don't put an x beside their candidate in the election.

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Are you not supposed to vote for the party you feel would do the best job in government?
Judging the current government's performance over the last term would only be part of the process.

Regards the same sex marriage question - Personally I think ensuring all people on this island are treated equally should be top of all parties agendas

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Originally Posted by jebus

Regards the same sex marriage question - Personally I think ensuring all people on this island are treated equally should be top of all parties agendas

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Sounds like The SF slogan ;)

Mr 14% and Biffo now calling for wage restraint by the social partners. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Macy

Mr 14% and Biffo now calling for wage restraint by the social partners. :rolleyes:

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Yep, got a chuckle out of me