The biggest non-story had to be the English rugby players lining up on the wrong side of the red carpet.
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The biggest non-story had to be the English rugby players lining up on the wrong side of the red carpet.
Linfield won a "derby" on away goals, and we lost narrowly to Nicosia, who would have been a better side at the time. It's not like we lost home and away to teams from the Swiss second division, or lost 0-10 to Moldovan teams, after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Nobody else won in Europe in those days either, so can't understand how it's relevant to this.
And didn't Irish teams all have to play early European rounds virtually pre-season? No disgrace going out early to Celtic or Honved (with the superb Lajos Detari playing) either. A bit unfair I'd say Dodge, that really was a great Rovers side with some super players.
Twice actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
78/9 ECWC
Shamrock Rovers - APOEL Nicosia 2:0 (1:0)
(Giles 44, Lynnex 67)
APOEL Nicosia - SHAMROCK ROVERS 0:1 (0:0)
(Lynnex 88)
Banik Ostrava - Shamrock Rovers 3:0 (2:0)
(Knapp 5, Radimec 30, Rygi 50)
Shamrock Rovers - BANIK Ostrava 1:3 (0:1)
(Giles 59 - Lička 37, 66, Albrecht 46)
82/3 UEFA Cup
Fram Reykjavik - Shamrock Rovers 0:3 (0:2)
(Murphy 30, Campbell 43, Gaynor 89)
SHAMROCK Rovers - Fram Reykjavik 4:0 (1:0)
(O'Corroll 16, Buckley 54, Beglin 72, Gaynor 77)
Shamrock Rovers - Un. Craiova 0:2 (0:1)
(Irimescu 3, Balaci 58)
UN. Craiova - Shamrock Rovers 3:0 (1:0)
((Campbell 30 o), Cirtu 54, 69)
They should have beaten Linfield. Drew 0-0 up in belfast. Dominated in Dublin but Linfield defended superbly and hung on to go through on away goals.
Omonia game in 87 was in Tolka. Poor performance I agree.
Note I know rovers beat Spora in 66 as well.
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Originally Posted by Macy
No. 20 if memory serves me correctly.
Another interesting one was Alex Higgins from the Shankhill threatening to have Denis Taylor from the nationalist side shot next time he was in Norn Iron because he didn't share the highest break prize with him when the two were playing for Northern Ireland. They then shortly after came face to face in Goffs for the Irish Championship.
The riot at the Ireland vs England soccer game was also well up the list. I was in the East Stand for that and thus out of harms way :D.
just countering the "best LOI side" argumentQuote:
Originally Posted by mypost
was speaking about the 4 in a row teamQuote:
Originally Posted by gspain
Nope, end of September, 1st week in October usuallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Don't want this to distract from the main arguement (of how the Kilcoyne family ruined Rovers, and set irish football back years). Just hate the rose tinted view of that side. The LOI was at an all time low in the mid to late 80s IMO.
As for the programme, did it mention anything about Kilcoyne's involvement with Cork City a few years after the Rovers thing? Or anything about him sellling tickets on the black market in Italy in 1990? Did it mention that he still hadn't fully paid for Milltown when he sold it? DId he mention they played Celtic in 1986 in front of a packed house or the fees they received for beglin and O'Brien (which almost certainly would've paid Rovers bills for the year)?
The amount of schysters involved in our league is unbelievable
Obviously more quality programming from RTE, given this and the England Rugby team standing in the wrong place being on the list, and the apparent easy ride for the Kilcoynes. Bank Holiday programming by Bank Holiday cover?Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
No. 20 was actually Paidi O'Se calling Kerry people a bunch of F***ING animals. How this was considered a major moment in Irish sporting history I'll never know.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Most people from the kingdom would admit that they are animals when it comes to demanding success from their footballers
Am I the only one who read that as "No; 20 non-stories made the list"?Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
http://www.rte.ie/tv/20moments/momen...aidi_o_se.html
Here they are. Yes, Cascarino was No. 19.
Pedantic point but the big crowd scenes were not from Glenmalure Park.
That big billboard on the terraces "Gold Flake Satisfies" :) was a Dalymount fixture.
I think there was some action from the 1968 cup final.
The Craiova 'keeper on those games was Silviu Lung, who was the Romanian 'keeper in Genoa in 1990.Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
Yep, most of the action footage was from Dalyer including Mick Leech putting one past Thomas and tapping him on the head afterwards in the cup final. Nice shots though also of Milltown including the famous "FCUK TOLKA" banner.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Because the top 20 was decided by RTE/Production Company. Website only allowed you to rank them from 1-5 stars. They should have given a list & ask to actually rank 1-20.Quote:
Originally Posted by lionelhutz
I suppose there had to be some sort of screening. If I had my way, Mullingar refusing to finish a cricket cup semi-final against us because the wicket was a bit damp would be my sporting outrage because I knew most of my team wouldn't be available to travel again to Mullingar to finish the game the following weekend. Pretty subjective ;)
That wasn't the correct spelling. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Just went through the list.
Carpet-Gate at 7
Man tackle roughly in rugby at 6 (spot the Ole Oireland's Corl lot here)
Guy denies doing drugs the year he didn't win the Tour de France, 11 years after the alleged doping took place at 12
F.F.S.
The ultimate act in the sacrificing of domestic Irish football by the people we had naively trusted to run it, a moment when rampant opportunism was finally allowed to nakedly crap on our sport only comes in at 15th??????
R.R.S.
And while we're at it, why was there no mention of the kid seriously injured, IIRC, in a county championship game in Galway in the past couple of years? Where was the mention of the mass fights that broke out in Cork - Kerry football games in the late 1980s? What about the various fights in the old Cross-Border competitions in the 1970s? The reaction caused in Ireland (and particularly in professional cycling on the continent) by revelations of doping in the sport in Paul Kimmage's (excellent) book Rough Ride in 1990?
Let's get Political. How about the fact that, in the light of a seeming great result in swimming at the Olympics, we managed to fumble getting an Olympic sized swimming pool built: why wasn't that, or a leaky national aquatic centre mentioned? Or that at it's height of popularity here, when we provided the world's greatest number one in the sport for years, and only the second man to win the grand treble of World Championship, Giro and le Tour, nothing was ever done to build cycling in Ireland - surely there was a missed opportunity that should be exposed? What about the promise, the cost and then the nothing about the proposed National Stadium, where two parties colluded to ensure a joint election victory on the basis of one promising it, and the other swearing it would never happen? How many millions from Irish sport did that take? Or the continual lining of the GAA against the FAI and IRFU over funding when the three bodies joint sum is a drop in the Ocean compared to what is thrown at the dogs and the horses - already profitable organisations with a much lower potential involvement base outside of betting and doing next to nothing to encourage youth to get involved in regular excercise. Or, if you like the various governments failure to do something to encourage the youth of the country to get fit, indirectly contributing to the slow blockage of Irish arteries? I had no idea what little care is given to the increase in Irish obesity untilI came to London and could see how great the concern is here in contrast.
Or if we really want to get into dark territory for R.T.É., home of the "Premiership", why not mention how many Irish millionaires are spending their spare vanity cash on buying English and Scottish clubs when their home teams are starving to death. Or how the country's Taoiseach, leader of the self styled "Republican" Party in the South, went on the box to proclaim his love for an English football team to the de facto exclusion of all Irish sides.
Staying with the "National" Broadcaster, how about the fact that it now spends more of it's money on games taking place with little or no direct Irish involvement and now does less to promote what is happening in Ireland than it did 20 years ago: volleyball, hockey, club rugby (RIP I believe), basketball, local athletics are all reduced in the scedules, and the few that are not down on years ago - domestic football for example - are treated like dirt. Almost the most scandalous RTÉ crime of all - Ger Canning! He has been allowed to commentate on football - a game he happily detests, and we can hear every time he does so. Even when commentating on the GAA, he is abominable.
But the one that really f*cks me off with the list more than the others is this: the absolutely shocking revelations of abuse of children in the care of swimming coaches. How can this be less significant than Saipan, never mind Paudí O'Shea being a pottymouth with a public? If anything should have topped the poll, that's what I would suggest. That wrecked confidence in swimming in many quarters: in a country where individual sports are already discriminated against so much, swimming had done quite well and had a degree of success in attracting people who may not be ordinarily interested in sport. In a very real sense, this was a criminal issue, and should never be forgotten as one of the darkest times for Irish sport.
Some interesting ones there. The Blaxnit Trophy between North and South teams ended up in riots. A friend of mine at a Rovers game against Coleraine I think it was got struck by a bottle.
I suspect the swimming abuse wasn't put in due to the fact that the show was presented by Mario Rosenstock and it took a light hearted look for the most part at the moments. Nothing light hearted in any way about that but you're correct, in a totally serious top 20 it should have been there.
The National Stadium: was ANYONE shocked that it wasn't built?
Some good ones on the potential political list above.
I think the mass brawls in GAA not mentioned as they common & sort of covered in the Irish-Australian No Rules series. I thought it was funny how they showed the RTE promo for the Series which was hyping the physical nature wuthout actually mentioning RTE - I suppose this is as close as RTE get to self criticism :D
One great story was when the series was on in the 80's, think it was the '87 series there, in the days when RTE wouldn't show the matches live from there yet, as it interrupted the Closedown slot. So they showed highlights instead, but for one match, couldn't do so, as apparantly "the tape got lost in transit". :D :D LOL!!Quote:
Originally Posted by pete