Ground share with Connacht rugby?

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Originally Posted by gilberto_eire

no im not living in cloud-cookoo land!

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i'm afraid you seem to be

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Originally Posted by gilberto_eire

we all know the price of land is dear, when was it cheap?!!

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in the 80's when there was talk of a move to Riverside (astro pitch and all the rest!!) and then Dangan but we were left out of UCG's plans at the time.

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Originally Posted by gilberto_eire

.. but were talking about a football club here im sure we wouldnt be completly out of the market if the attendences continue to rise!!!

of course the loan would be dearer but in the long-term its the only way you can get a ground and just has to be done!

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to buy commercially zoned land in Galway would cost at least €2-€3 million per acre. you would be talking about at least 10 acres to construct an improved venue than terryland - more if all of this talk of commercial units are needed but lets work on 10 acres at the moment. thats somewhere between €20 and €30 million. then lets build this stadium. athlones stand has cost them approx €5 million to date so lets say a cheap stadium and go for €10 million. thats a minimun of €30 million and at interest rates touching 6% a repayment of €1.8million year! that means not touching the capital borrowed (or you could add another €1 million per year if you want to clear the capital inside 30 years)! so essentially it is the same as renting an so so much more expensive!!!

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Originally Posted by gilberto_eire

yes i know what a joint venture is but its more benefitical to the landlord then the tenents!. !!

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obviously you don't know what a joint venture is.
what i was talking about is where galway fa come up with land and GUFC carry the construction costs. the finished product is joint owned and then leased to a 3rd party with the proceeds split jointly or EQUALLY. equally means that both benefit the same!!!!

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Originally Posted by gilberto_eire

with our own ground we would make a lot more!.also the dyke road id never gonna be a attractive place to build anything like a bar etc.... too isolated!!!!

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and you say you don't live in cloud cookoo land!!!!
too isolated.... where do you propose building the stadium: eyre square!!! or perhaps shop street!!!!
why on earth does everyone keep going on about a bar :confused: why not build an office complex and lease out the space. or even use the car park as a commercial car park. the bar trade has taken a bashing in the last few years with only a select few making real profits. a bar is not the way to go.

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Originally Posted by gilberto_eire

the problem isnt where are we going to get the money out of, its getting up the table, playing in europe, bigger crowds etc... then we could probably take the 1st steps towards a new ground.

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exactly. you seem to have turned the corner. this point is valid. perhaps in a decade or so we may need to consider a new ground but until then where we are is more than sufficent.

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Originally Posted by gilberto_eire

it could then be payed for through various ways like a sports complex for the public/club, bar etc.....!!

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oh dear we are back to the bar .... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by gilberto_eire

nick leeson has already been quoted as saying in 10yrs time, galway united should be playing in a 10,000 seater stadium, and im pretty sure he wasnt talking about terryland!!

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maybe not ... but from my viewpoint it is certainly the most viable.

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Originally Posted by gilberto_eire

sorry when i mentioned under-21 games i was refering to the irish under-21's!!

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and that was what 2 games in the last few years. and why on earth would GUFC get any financial benefit from these :confused:

lads i am amazed at some of ye on here calling for a new stadium especially when a lot of ye were on the eL forum spouting on about Terryland being in the top 3 grounds in the country... and some of ye saying it was the best :confused:

but in fairness whilst the Galway FA have been good to United over the years it hasnt exactly been charity it costs 2.5k per game to play there. 60% of the matches played in Terryland over a year are Galway FA games not GUFC believe it or not. The FA have shown no leadership in their role to develop the game in Galway that was left to the clubs Like Salthill & Mervue to show them what a bit of vision could achieve. The Galway FA chief achievements year on year is that they put fixture lists together which to be fair is not a small feat but surely one at this stage that they should be used to. The other facts are if we do have a european tie only 3000 will be allowed in to Terryland and that obviously would be a shame. As well if we are averaging 2200 this season and we havent won there since november last year, what kind of crowds would we get if we were in the top 4?. Capacity could become an issue fairly quickly. Terryland would be a good choice for a 10000 seat arena and cost effective if the city council helped and provided accomodation underneath stands for the many voluntary bodies renting premises throughout the city and universities etc for various purposes. all this could be possible but alternatives and vision have to be debated and nothing ruled in or out

I'd have to agree that for now Terryland is the only viable option for the club. For capacity to become an issue, we would have to become a FIXTURE in the Premier Division, not one that yo-yo's between relegation and promotion.
I think the team are getting a huge backing considering results at home, and I know that some people are going up at this stage because they're afraid they'll miss the game where we actually win. It's seriously blind faith at this stage because we haven't seen good football or stirring performances for a while.
Compare ourselves with tonight's opponents Drogheda. They were in a similar position not so long ago, and they concentrated their efforts on getting a strong team that impoved in quality every year. I understand they have been heavily backed, but now they are in a position where they can submit plans for a new stadium with commercial units and all that because they are guaranteed revenue streams from Setanta Cup games, European games and sizeable crowdds watching good football.
I don't agree that the Galway FA are getting nothing out of this. They now have one of the best footballing stadia in the country, which will no doubt attract more representative fixtures. The dressing rooms will be upgraded, which was badly needed. I remember playing there in an under 18 final, and we could hardly fit in them they were so small. I'm sure they didn't go "Oh no, we'd prefer if you didn't make this stadium a whole lot better".
Anyway, let's not put the cart before the horse. Get the team sorted and then plan for a bigger, brighter future.:)

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Originally Posted by galwayhoop

and you say you don't live in cloud cookoo land!!!!


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The man has to be born and bred there, Look at his post and then attempted back tracking on my world Football thread about Everton. Very funny :D

Gilberto seems well suited and i am sure had no issue fitting in around Cloud Cookoo land. :)

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shut up ya rural tool your trying to annoy me purposly now...try in person on friday my 1st name is simon!! (dont care terry he's coming on here WUM'ing!!)

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Originally Posted by galwayhoop

i'm afraid you seem to be


in the 80's when there was talk of a move to Riverside (astro pitch and all the rest!!) and then Dangan but we were left out of UCG's plans at the time.


to buy commercially zoned land in Galway would cost at least €2-€3 million per acre. you would be talking about at least 10 acres to construct an improved venue than terryland - more if all of this talk of commercial units are needed but lets work on 10 acres at the moment. thats somewhere between €20 and €30 million. then lets build this stadium. athlones stand has cost them approx €5 million to date so lets say a cheap stadium and go for €10 million. thats a minimun of €30 million and at interest rates touching 6% a repayment of €1.8million year! that means not touching the capital borrowed (or you could add another €1 million per year if you want to clear the capital inside 30 years)! so essentially it is the same as renting an so so much more expensive!!!


obviously you don't know what a joint venture is.
what i was talking about is where galway fa come up with land and GUFC carry the construction costs. the finished product is joint owned and then leased to a 3rd party with the proceeds split jointly or EQUALLY. equally means that both benefit the same!!!!


and you say you don't live in cloud cookoo land!!!!
too isolated.... where do you propose building the stadium: eyre square!!! or perhaps shop street!!!!
why on earth does everyone keep going on about a bar :confused: why not build an office complex and lease out the space. or even use the car park as a commercial car park. the bar trade has taken a bashing in the last few years with only a select few making real profits. a bar is not the way to go.


exactly. you seem to have turned the corner. this point is valid. perhaps in a decade or so we may need to consider a new ground but until then where we are is more than sufficent.


oh dear we are back to the bar .... :rolleyes:


maybe not ... but from my viewpoint it is certainly the most viable.


and that was what 2 games in the last few years. and why on earth would GUFC get any financial benefit from these :confused:

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can ya not quote my whole post inone instead of making a massive page!!!...... look your the only one who seems to think RENTING in terryland is a good idea.... bottom line is...ITS NOT OUR GROUND!! and every team needs its own ground at some stage

a move is going to happen and we all know the price of land, thats been taken in but the move will happen anyway at some stage!!

ok one or two are saying like i saying '' we need a new ground NOW'' i never said that nor did anyone.... hoop was saying that we can just build up terryland and that will do till dawns end. i didnt, nor did i see anyone say we needed a new ground now this is something that will be needed in a few years as we dont have our own ground, terryland is as good as complete and id be surprised if anything else was to be done up there!!. i never said we need a new ground now but we do in the next 10 yrs!!

I agree with hoop surely that meas he's not the only one??

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Originally Posted by gilberto_eire

shut up ya rural tool your trying to annoy me purposly now...try in person on friday my 1st name is simon!! (dont care terry he's coming on here WUM'ing!!)

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grow up

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Originally Posted by gilberto_eire

can ya not quote my whole post inone instead of making a massive page!!!...... look your the only one who seems to think RENTING in terryland is a good idea.... bottom line is...ITS NOT OUR GROUND!! and every team needs its own ground at some stage

a move is going to happen and we all know the price of land, thats been taken in but the move will happen anyway at some stage!!

ok one or two are saying like i saying '' we need a new ground NOW'' i never said that nor did anyone.... hoop was saying that we can just build up terryland and that will do till dawns end. i didnt, nor did i see anyone say we needed a new ground now this is something that will be needed in a few years as we dont have our own ground, terryland is as good as complete and id be surprised if anything else was to be done up there!!. i never said we need a new ground now but we do in the next 10 yrs!!

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look gilberto, you have your view and i have mine. bottom line is we cannot afford to build our own ground.
if someone donated us land and built the thing for free then, yes it would be brilliant. sure of course everyone would like to have a brand spanking new stadium. it is just not feasible and without a 'sugar daddy' it won't ever be. the club are struggling to make ends meet as it stands. the extra burden of paying for a new ground would break the club - end of story.

disregarding the need (or more appropriately the lack of need) for a new stadium in relation to attendances i will approach it from a financial viewpoint.

going on figures here for the rent of terryland (€2.5k per game - higher than i was led to believe tbh) it comes in at about €80,000 per season* which equates to about 7% of the over all running cost of the club this season (assuming €1.1m). i am sure that they rent drom off salthill for much less, probably way less than half of that. therefore the combined cost of both training facilities and stadium costs are less than 10% of the running costs of the club for the season. that is very healthy financially.

the income from spectators i would estimate to be in the region of €350,000** for the season. made up of season ticket sales approx €120,000 and paying attendences of (estimate) € 230,000 for the season. this accounts for about 30% of the clubs income. the rest is from sponsorship, one-off events and donations/contrabutions. yes the money gained from spectators is important but it is only a portion of the money needed to run the club and on it's own while probably the largest single contributor (although possibly second to our main sponsor??) it is still only a portion of the money required.

the rent cost of the stadium is about 23% of the direct income from attendances (i have excluded any advertising from boards etc) giving a profit of 77%. again this is very very healthy.

on average each person attending terryland pays just less than €1.14 toward rent to the Galway FA and the rest goes to GUFC. thats a whopping €13.86 for every adult (non season ticket holder/child). again a very very healthy return.

as i say there is no Financial need for a new club owned stadium especially when we have a landlord who is only charging us a small percentage of gate receipts! compare this with the FAI lease of Croke park where they pay approximately half of what they take in for each game!!!!


* that is only 8 times what we paid Yeboah to PFO!!!
** I have disregarded the one off fixtures this season with sunderland and celtic, even though the return from these fixtures even strengthen my point further.

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Originally Posted by galwayhoop

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grow up

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mind your own business, he came on here and just had a go at a mistake i made a few days ago which he already done twice in that thread!!

like serioulsy where are you getting these figures??.... have you seen the books or just guesssing?.... its a lot of guessing figures if you are!. i know we cant afford it now. not every club needs a suger-daddy to buy them a ground or to be sitting on a gold-mine. if a club can be taking in sell-out gates,winning cups, having people left out in the cold then they will move ground, it happens all the time, its not viable at the moment but if we had people who couldnt get in terryland now the ball would be rolling already on this!!!!

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Originally Posted by gilberto_eire

mind your own business, he came on here and just had a go at a mistake i made a few days ago which he already done twice in that thread!!!

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in fairness your comment reflected badly on both yourself and supporters of the club. 'lets take it outside' comments have no place on a public forumn.

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Originally Posted by gilberto_eire

like serioulsy where are you getting these figures??.... have you seen the books or just guesssing?....

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a mixture of sources, a calculator and a couple of very slow days at work:
Attendances:

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Galway - 2,170

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Rent:

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Originally Posted by geezer

2.5k per game to play there.

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Season Tickets:
Last I heard on here 800 sold iirc. Can’t find thread.

Paying adults at games (excluding Season Tickets/Kids):
Estimated about 900 per game on this one. Wouldn't be a million miles away I’d think.

Running Cost for Year:
€ 1.1 million – common figure talked about all season.

With the above figures the rest is fairly straight forward.

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Originally Posted by gilberto_eire

if a club can be taking in sell-out gates,winning cups, having people left out in the cold then they will move ground, it happens all the time, its not viable at the moment but if we had people who couldnt get in terryland now the ball would be rolling already on this!!!!

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i don't agree here at all. look at the average attendances at places like Turners Cross (3,256), the Brandywell (2,913) and even the Drogs who are top of the table are only getting an average of 1,889 and these are clubs who are doing well consistantly. Galway has a traditionally 'fairweather' type supporter (in all codes) and we would never be as high support wise as either Derry or Cork. The highest average attendance in the league is Cork's and that is only about a third of their capacity.

The eL is poorly supported nation wide and more and more people choose to get their football through overseas packages to places like Old Trafford, Anfield, Stadium o'Light and Celtic Park. It is sad but through. Even if we were top of the table we would still only get crowds of around 5,000 - 6,000 tops. The eL has no team which would be capable of getting average attendances of 10,000 or anywhere near it. and even if we did (by some miracle) buck this trend and get close to the 10,000 mark (highly unlikely) there is sufficient room for expansion to close to this number at Terryland. Sure even the GAA teams (which is far and away the highest supported of all sports in the country - attendance wise) only ever get massive attendances at the All-Ireland semi's and Final. They get p1ss poor figures at National League games.

You can agree or disagree with me but imo talk of a new stadium is a decade or two premature at the earliest. And even if one was ever to be built it would never be as close to town as Terryland and imo be a white elephant and serious drain on resources - unless of course if some 'sugar daddy' type comes along and builds it for free - but even then i'd rather the resources were put into the team!!!!

One of the main arguments for a new stadium for GU seems to be the provision of commercial units. But given that Terryland is fairly central and has potential to be a great little football ground surely it would be better to just do the commercial stuff alone somewhere rather than build a new ground just to accommodate it?

The ground needs to be making revenue 7 days a week and not just once a fortnight. Nick has said this on numerous occasions in the past that the club will not survive without having major revenue streams outside of gate receipts.

I agree- but does it have to be the ground the hosts the extra revenue streams? Would staying at Terryland for matches but getting involved in a development somewhere else (maybe with training facilities and astroturf pitches + commercial units) not make a certain amount of sense?

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Originally Posted by Mr A

I agree- but does it have to be the ground the hosts the extra revenue streams? Would staying at Terryland for matches but getting involved in a development somewhere else (maybe with training facilities and astroturf pitches + commercial units) not make a certain amount of sense?

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Great point Mr. A.

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