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I think Donetsk beat Celtic 3-0 at home in the Champs League Group stages (Milan and Barca were also in the group I think). If my memory serves me correctly, Celtic beat them 1-0 at home.
Don't realistically think Derry can match Donetsk over two legs but you never know. The important thing is to get the result Wednesday night which will be hugely difficult in itself.
holy thats right that was the score
Shaktaar are a fantastic team. Derry would probably be destroyed over there if they get through.Quote:
Originally Posted by HolylandsMan
ya they are almost as fantastic as ac milan.
I'm sure there's a few fantastic players in the LOI. Anyway, Shaktaar will be the biggest test a LOI will have in years imho. Mainly because they wouldn't underestimate the opposition as much as, say, Valencia.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
btw, paul - "gretna are not as good as donetsk". :D Seriously? ;) Look at their squad list. They sold Tymoschuk for around €10m recently but got in Lucarelli and have some excellent players. They're still better than Celtic anyway.
Lucarelli must be getting on in years though? Seems to have been an ever present in Serie A for over a decade. How would donetsk compare to Steau of 2005 or Depor of 2004 even?
Was just wondering, where would we have to end up in the coefficient table so we would have 4 teams entering into european competitions?
On this years results so far, what swinford said is correct. We lost .166 at the start and already have .500. If we continue each year improving points wise than what we are lossing, we will continue to climb the table. Some people think we should be jumping 8 or 10 places each year, which is completely unrealistic.
There are been higher standards set in recent years. Suggestion 0.5 is good because its replacing 0.166 is hopeless logic. The Draws by Pats & Derry were somewhat expected but Drogs drawing in San Marino was pathetic. :eek:
Can't see how anyone could expect Pats to get a draw. I expected the other two to win thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by pete
Somewhat expected as in not a huge surprise or shock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
wow !!
Do you feel better now you got that dig in ? :rolleyes:
0.166 going means nothing. I think we should be aiming for 2 points per season. I think the most we can expect now is a Drogheda win and maybe Derry to get a draw making up 1 point. I don't see Derry doing anything in the 2nd Round and depending on Droghedas draw I think getting 1 point is about all we can expect.
Seen as shels beat Odense at home last year and really should have done so by more than just the one, I did think Pats would at least draw. It's only Odense! We've managed draws with the likes of Deportivo and PSG in the past so we're no mugs.
Drogheda should have won and Derry should have won. 0.333 wasted. 0.333 that would have sealed our place as seeds next season, as it stands we may just miss out again.
When you see the likes of Iceland and Lithuania picking up good points and I know we're better than them, it is worrying.
Our champions elect can only grab a draw with the 2nd placed team from San marino ???
Pats did well to get the draw but appreciate our clubs have met tougher opposition in the past.
We were unlucky with the draw. Pats got the toughest possible opponent. Derry got one of the hardest draws they could have got. Derry can still go through. Drogheda will surely win. Pats are probably an outside bet now.
The Lithuanian sides got much better draws. They still had 2 aways defeats against a team from Montenegro (probably improving new country) and Dungannon. The standard is clearly slipping there but they will probably do enough to hold us off for another year.
We may actually need Derry to qualify for the UEFA Cup to get a seed next year.
2 points a year would be ideal but would probably rely on teams getting results in the next round. To be logical about it, if all teams are seeded, then we should be expecting at least 1.5 points per year - i.e. an away draw and a home win against unseeded opposition. Anything after that would be a nice bonus then.
so can anyone answer me this question?Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry
pats drogs cork and derry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry
ehhhhh
kdjac
I think we have to be ranked 25th or thereabouts or higher. A long way off anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry
yeah agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by gspain
I honestly was expecting both derry and pats to slip up, so to get 2 draws isnt too bad
and Drogheda had an off day
i expect derry to get a result out there, and drogheda to win.............so whats the problem with the co - efficients? we didnt do too badly
obviouslly substituting the intertoto for the uefa straight off there kdjac.Quote:
pats drogs cork and derry.
ehhhhh
kdjac
without resorting to Fair Play spots or teams coming through the InterToto, the third placed teams from the countries ranked 7 to 21 go into the UEFA Cup and from 1-6 go into the Champions League.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry
Previously, it was noted that having an extra team might not be the best result for the coefficient given that it would have to be split 4 ways rather than 3, however the extra team would enter the 1st qualifying for the UEFA and would hence be seeded (eg Valerenga from Norway).
As another interesting item to note - we would get a third team in the UEFA (ranked 21) before any team would automatically start in the 2nd qualifying round (ranked 18).
thanks bigmac