Cork City FC Receive "Severe Warning" from Disciplinary Commission

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31/05/2007, 2:25 PM
BohsPartisan

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Originally Posted by osarusan

That is a pathetic post.

point out where i said or implied that.

Explain to me how you logically drew the conclusion that I meant that.

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So are you saying that if it comes to a choice between me and my young child, and some clown who thinks it is cool to shout abuse, you believe I should allow him to do what he wants, and just avoid him. Do you really think that actually solves the problem?

If the guy is a clown for giving Ryan dogs over his drug abuse it is implied that the abuse is a worse offence than the drugs.
What is stupid is people wanting to destroy the atmosphere at games. Are bohs fans supposed to stop singing about Rovers being homeless or Pats being Junkies in case some prude gets offended? Are Rovers and Pats supposed to stop singing songs slagging us off? I'd be dissapointed if they did. This Helen Lovejoyism has no place at football grounds. The banter, the slagging has always been part of the game - nay sport and society, its part of what makes us human and its bloody great. There is a line that shouldn't be crossed - racism, the type of abuse Simon Webb got etc. but slagging a guy for getting caught red handed doing drugs etc. is fair game.
31/05/2007, 2:29 PM
sligoman

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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

This Helen Lovejoyism has no place at football grounds.

That is a class way of describing it!:D
31/05/2007, 2:30 PM
passerrby

are we assumming that the warning was entirly for the ryan slagging or was there something else ..
31/05/2007, 2:34 PM
BohsPartisan

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Originally Posted by passerrby

are we assumming that the warning was entirly for the ryan slagging or was there something else ..

It was for the Ryan slagging. No one would have paid any attention to it only for McDonnell trying to make capital over what happened to Webb.
31/05/2007, 2:35 PM
osarusan

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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

If the guy is a clown for giving Ryan dogs over his drug abuse it is implied that the abuse is a worse offence than the drugs.

So you feel that the guy who was shouting was driven by a desire to make Ryan see the error of his ways, and he felt the best and most efficient way of doing this was to abuse him during a football game.

If this is the conclusion you drew......why did you post this -

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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

So drug abuse is ok then?

My point regarding the abuse of Ryan, and the reasons given for it on this thread are this-

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Originally Posted by osarusan

My point is that I dont think we can say that abusing him over a wall on a football field is going to achieve any social reform of our morals, or perform a valuable service to the community.

And I am reasonably sure that this was not in the minds of those who shouted the abuse.

And on a general note -
Don't get me wrong, I dont want to kill the atmosphere at games (perhaps we have different views on what is acceptable "banter - so be it). My point is that this kind of abuse will deter some (not all, but some) fans from coming, or coming a second time, especially those fans with kids, and these kids are the future supporters we need. We are not in the position of clubs in other countries to be able to turn people away if they dont like it, confident that others will fill their place.
31/05/2007, 2:39 PM
BohsPartisan

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Originally Posted by osarusan

We are not in the position of clubs in other countries to be able to turn people away if they dont like it, confident that others will fill their place.

Thats why we should have family sections. You are never going to please everyone. When I started going to LOI games, what got me coming back again and again was the atmosphere. I think my third or fourth game was against rovers and the atmosphere at that just sealed the deal for me. I've brought mates who live in England and attend the odd premiership game to games against Rovers, Shels, the Drogs and Pats and they were so impressed with the atmosphere that any time they come over the first question they ask is "are we going to a game?"
31/05/2007, 2:39 PM
stann

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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

What is stupid is people wanting to destroy the atmosphere at games. Are bohs fans supposed to stop singing about Rovers being homeless or Pats being Junkies in case some prude gets offended? Are Rovers and Pats supposed to stop singing songs slagging us off? I'd be dissapointed if they did. This Helen Lovejoyism has no place at football grounds. The banter, the slagging has always been part of the game - nay sport and society, its part of what makes us human and its bloody great. There is a line that shouldn't be crossed - racism, the type of abuse Simon Webb got etc. but slagging a guy for getting caught red handed doing drugs etc. is fair game.

Must agree here too. Shouting abuse, a bit of healthy slagging, or popping a vessel in your head at the ref is part and parcel of the game. Osarusan you say it doesn't have to be, but that in turn is a trivial statement, which can be levelled at pretty much all aspects of the game. We don't have to have grass either. Or 'keepers. Or goalposts even. Or 11 a side. Or kicking the ball. Whatever someone takes against.
The fact is that it is there, it has always been there, and within certain boundaries it always should be there, and I personally would rather a handful of people who've kids with sensitive ears (or more likely, kids with ears that the parents feel need over-protection) were not trying to stop me calling the referee a useless w*nker if he is being one. And I don't sit with hardcore supporters, so I don't know where ye are going to go! :D
31/05/2007, 2:50 PM
osarusan

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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

If the guy is a clown for giving Ryan dogs over his drug abuse it is implied that the abuse is a worse offence than the drugs
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From which you inferred that I condoned drug abuse?

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Originally Posted by osarusan

So you feel that the guy who was shouting was driven by a desire to make Ryan see the error of his ways, and he felt the best and most efficient way of doing this was to abuse him during a football game.

I'd appreciate a reply.

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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

Thats why we should have family sections. You are never going to please everyone. When I started going to LOI games, what got me coming back again and again was the atmosphere. I think my third or fourth game was against rovers and the atmosphere at that just sealed the deal for me. I've brought mates who live in England and attend the odd premiership game to games against Rovers, Shels, the Drogs and Pats and they were so impressed with the atmosphere that any time they come over the first question they ask is "are we going to a game?"

You make it sound like a ban on abuse would leave the fans with nothing to say.
31/05/2007, 2:56 PM
BohsPartisan

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Originally Posted by osarusan

I'd appreciate a reply.

Its been said over and over in this thread, its not a matter of making Ryan see the error of his ways more an example to set to the kids i.e. do this and you are going to be in for some real stick.

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Originally Posted by osarusan

You make it sound like a ban on abuse would leave the fans with nothing to say

It would certainly cut out a lot of the "wittier" songs on the terraces.
31/05/2007, 3:03 PM
osarusan

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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

more an example to set to the kids i.e. do this and you are going to be in for some real stick.

Do you really believe that this is why he got the abuse? To set a good example to kids? Not just to amuse the person shouting, or to try and disrupt his (Ryan's) concentration?
31/05/2007, 3:03 PM
passerrby

remember once hearing a rovers fan shout "kellys carpets out out out" when asked why said he was againist all rug dealers
31/05/2007, 3:05 PM
lofty9

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Originally Posted by passerrby

remember once hearing a rovers fan shout "kellys carpets out out out" when asked why said he was againist all rug dealers

:D very good!
31/05/2007, 3:08 PM
BohsPartisan

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Originally Posted by passerrby

remember once hearing a rovers fan shout "kellys carpets out out out" when asked why said he was againist all rug dealers

:D Great stuff!

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Originally Posted by osarusan

Do you really believe that this is why he got the abuse? To set a good example to kids? Not just to amuse the person shouting, or to try and disrupt his (Ryan's) concantration?

No more of a byproduct of the guy(s) trying to disrupt Ryan's concentration. Getting back to the matter at hand, what exactly is offensive about calling a footballer who failed a drug test "junkie" or chanting "Barry, give us a line"?
31/05/2007, 3:08 PM
GavinZac

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Originally Posted by osarusan

Do you really believe that this is why he got the abuse? To set a good example to kids? Not just to amuse the person shouting, or to try and disrupt his (Ryan's) concantration?

those are exactly the reasons. and arguably, they both worked. thats not to say however, that "protecting" ryan like this doesn't stop us from indirectly pointing out that footballers in a professional league should probably not use drugs lest they be ridiculed.
31/05/2007, 3:09 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

So drug abuse is ok then?

Who said anything about him abusing the drugs?
31/05/2007, 3:10 PM
BohsPartisan

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Who said anything about him abusing the drugs?

Oh right, he was using cocaine responsibly?
31/05/2007, 3:13 PM
Raheny Red

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Originally Posted by passerrby

remember once hearing a rovers fan shout "kellys carpets out out out" when asked why said he was againist all rug dealers

:D:D:D
31/05/2007, 3:14 PM
osarusan

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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

Getting back to the matter at hand, what exactly is offensive about calling a footballer who failed a drug test "junkie" or chanting "Barry, give us a line"?

You don't think it is in any way offensive?

I do, as I don't think anybody, footballer or otherwise, should have to hear it.

Would you find it inoffensive if it happened to somebody who is not a footballer?

And on a more general level, the kind of comments which are generally considered "banter" - questioning of sexual ability/preference, parental species, masturbation tendencies etc - do find them inoffensive in the context in which they are said?
31/05/2007, 3:18 PM
osarusan

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Originally Posted by GavinZac

those are exactly the reasons. and arguably, they both worked. thats not to say however, that "protecting" ryan like this doesn't stop us from indirectly pointing out that footballers in a professional league should probably not use drugs lest they be ridiculed.

Which reasons are you talking about? The attempts to set an example for kids, or the amusement of the person shouting, or the interruption of his concentration?
31/05/2007, 3:19 PM
passerrby

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Originally Posted by osarusan

masturbation tendencies etc - do find them inoffensive in the context in which they are said?

there you go again knocking my hobbies

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