Ahern's Historic Speech to the House of Commons

[QUOTE=GavinZac;688276]CJ, in these times of heightened sensitivity, media awareness, and electronic banking, do you seriously think builders are walking up to TDs at race events and dumping wads of cash on the table? i tell you what, if you've seen that, tell the sun, or the mirror, or the mail, and next time whip out the ould camera phone as that money on the table or in the envelope will end up in your pocket!


The above is just plain silly.... when or where did I mention a scenario as outlined by you above.... my point is that (1) IMO to accept that any level of corruption is wrong

(2) FF continue to accept large contributions from builders including the ones I mentioned who settled for €25m with the Revenue which is wrong as to put it simply in the real world there is no such thing as a free lunch. Do you not accept that there is a link betwen the fact that FF take large contributions from the building sector and continue to fudge and defer bringing in legislation regarding both building standards and ensuring that when houses are built adequate infrastructures such as sewage, school ,transport are also put in place... or do you believe that is all a co-incidence and builders are just altruistic individuals whom main motivation is to ensure that FF are well funded because they want to protect democracy....

Try and answer the questions posed... rather than asking me do believe in some sceanario tha I've never mentioned but you've dreamed up to try and make your belief in corruption seem acceptable.

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Originally Posted by kingdom hoop

while GalwayHoop (used as demonstration, nothing personal) and his ilk are the type of miscreant scoundrel-apologists I'd rather see cleaning the streets Doing the opposite of tainting countries.

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Just aswell it was nothing personal so

It must be great for all of the people on here who live in cyber land, in their comfy homes and drive nice cars and obviously have no concept of the reality of where this country has come from. when we had nothing, had to emigrate to work and little or no national self esteem.

the two western world powers have duped their populations into mass murder in the middle east in search of oil and we are in uproar because our leader got his hall wallpapered!!!!

now CJH was a fair createn as has been established but our politics is far less contaminated than most countries worldwide and economically we are held up as an example of how developing economys should be handled.

yes the corruption is wrong but imo whats done is done and we are where we are, also i would reckon that there is little or none around anymore. yes people who donate monies to political parties are looking for an edge but we are a capitalist society ffs not communist. every democratic party in the world gets political donations and if they didn't they would not be able to exist.

Sure it'd be a grand little country if only you could roof it.

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Originally Posted by Erstwhile Bóz

Sure it'd be a grand little country if only you could roof it.

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I'm pretty sure that's in Enda's contract, along with closing the gaeltachts, pedestrianising leinster and reclaiming land from dublin bay to form a new county

All done by the end of the summer or your vote back.

Jesus, have just read through this thread and the attitudes of some here, Galwayhoop in particular, is actually astounding.

Corruption at the top level of our government is okay because it happened a few years back :eek:

Sure they've given us our word that it doesn't happen nowadays :eek:

Ireland caught the Western World's boom period wave so let's forgive and forget Fianna Fail's past dishonesty :eek:

I mean, my God

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Originally Posted by jebus

Ireland caught the Western World's boom period wave so let's forgive and forget Fianna Fail's past dishonesty :eek:

I mean, my God

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Not correct, Ireland actually have bucked the trend, compare economic growth in Germany and France, for example, during the same period. With regards to your commments comment :) well you may have already noticed that on ALL footie threads, comments go from plain crazy to sensible down to "what is going on here like". It is up to yourself to distinguish between the 3 factions and remember you do not have to agree with all.

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Jesus, have just read through this thread and the attitudes of some here, Galwayhoop in particular, is actually astounding.

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I have enjoyed the effects of the so-called Celtic Tiger which has created an envoirnment where I have been comfortably been able to return home to earn a living. So yes, i am willing to gloss over some indescressions as I honestly feel that the alternative government could plunge the country into a recession which the vast majority of the 'Baby Boomers' would think was something from the Waltons.

Better the devil you know and all that. I have absolutely no faith in any FG/Labour/Greens government with regard to the financial aspects of running the country. Yes the country has major problems but these will be compounded by the above Rainbow regieme as opposed to eridicated.

And btw I am not going on the say-so of the present government with regard to the absence of corruption but from people who have in the past actively provided funds to members of BOTH of the main parties as a means to get certain decisions to go their way.

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Just aswell it was nothing personal so

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In light of your latter post this morning I feel I must retract that exculpation. Don't worry though I won't have you on weekend duty!

Your glorification of underhand payments as a driver of the country's economic prosperity discomfits me, but the beauty of a forum is the wide-ranging perspectives one encounters so I'm happy to move on, albeit in a somewhat befuddled state. :)