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19/04/2007, 5:57 PM
SligoBrewer

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Originally Posted by robbiesdrogs

wasnt match workn no?what weight is foy this year???

come again?
19/04/2007, 5:58 PM
Kildare Lad

Yeah I have 2 players names on the back of 2 of my jerseys, I think it would be a good move for the league.

Also when your thinking of the players side of things, would they not prefer having a certain number for every match? I know about 90% of people ive played football with always have a preferance...
19/04/2007, 6:45 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

The implication here is that the kid gets the player's name from the back of his jersey? Would have thought listening to the commentator say the name would have been far more effective than squinting your eyes at the screen in the off-chance that you get a legible full view of the name on his back, to be honest.

Stop getting hung up about people buying the jersies...

The commentator won't help the kid when he's at the game
19/04/2007, 7:07 PM
Peadar

Those of you who don't support professional clubs wont appreciate the purpose of squad numbers.
I'll try to give you some perspective.
At Cork City F.C. we have a massive sponsorship deal with our kit manufacturer. They supply each player with an official kit allocation for the season. That kit is numbered and has the players name on it.
For obvious reasons, squad numbers are the most logical way to manage the kit allocation. It's all about the professional running of a club & its matters.
19/04/2007, 7:47 PM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by Peadar

At Cork City F.C. we have a massive sponsorship deal with our kit manufacturer. They supply each player with an official kit allocation for the season. That kit is numbered and has the players name on it.

Doesn't explain how squad numbers help though? Is any one jersey different from any other? What's to stop them giving the club an allocation rather than the players? The sponsorship seems to cover each player equally from what you say, so there's no need to reduce the deal to individual players.

You mention obvious reasons but then conveniently don't bother to tell us what they are. Good argument.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

The commentator won't help the kid when he's at the game

But his face will. As will the 1-11 number on the back of his jersey coupled with listening to the line-ups being called out. As will each 1-11 number generally corresponding to a position, so you know number 2 is the right-back. People managed it for decades, but now we need an individual number for each player to help recognise someone?

The name on the back of his jersey won't help him either unless he has superb eyesight and is willing to ignore the game for a couple of minutes until the player in question turns around long enough to read the name.
19/04/2007, 7:54 PM
TheBoss

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Originally Posted by monutdfc

Whatever about squad numbers names are a bad idea, because players move clubs very frequently and so it would cost clubs a fortune in jerseys, especially towards the end of the season when younger players are given a game, and it looks really rubbish when you have names taped over

But is the kit sponser not responsible for kit production, that is what is normally in contracts, so technically, it should not cost anything for the club.
19/04/2007, 7:55 PM
Peadar

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

You mention obvious reasons but then conveniently don't bother to tell us what they are. Good argument.

Should the club have a jersey in multiple sizes and styles, with each number on it, just to suit the different players, who may be chosen to play in that number?
Each player gets the shirts in their size and chosen style, with their number on it.
Also, it means that players can sign shirts from their allocation and donate them to charity.
19/04/2007, 8:01 PM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by Peadar

Should the club have a jersey in multiple sizes and styles, with each number on it, just to suit the different players, who may be chosen to play in that number?

They've always managed in the past somehow, haven't they?

Those without squad number still do manage currently, don't they?

Players can still send in signed jerseys to charities, or even just do up one-off jerseys with their name on it - it's irrelevant to the running of the club really.
19/04/2007, 8:08 PM
Poor Student

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

But his face will. As will the 1-11 number on the back of his jersey coupled with listening to the line-ups being called out. As will each 1-11 number generally corresponding to a position, so you know number 2 is the right-back. People managed it for decades, but now we need an individual number for each player to help recognise someone?

I find it far easier to identify players and positions on opposing teams when they use the 1-11 system. No. 17 on Drogheda or no. 23 on Cork doesn't mean anything to me unless I can recognise them by their physical appearance. It also messes up teams being called out as they get listed in numerical order.

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The name on the back of his jersey won't help him either unless he has superb eyesight and is willing to ignore the game for a couple of minutes until the player in question turns around long enough to read the name.

Exactly.
19/04/2007, 8:14 PM
Peadar

It's a luxury that professional, with big sponsorship deals, can afford.
I think it's a bit rich to have fans of a college team, telling the rest of us how to run a club.
In this professional era, players get their own shirts, that they and only they wear. In my opinion, it's a minor perk for being a professional.
I never had to share a uniform with other staff members, when I worked in Burger King. Don't think many uniform wearing professionals are forced to share apparel with their colleagues.
19/04/2007, 8:15 PM
dublinwanderer

its up to the clubs if they want them or not. this season in bray havin squad numbers is a big advantage, with so many new players its easier to reconize the players!!
19/04/2007, 8:15 PM
pineapple stu

When you rank as high as us in an official club analysis, come back to me about telling us how to run our club.

You need your own top at Burger King because you wear it every day. You wear a football jersey once a week, after it's been taken home and washed for you. Different scenario.
19/04/2007, 8:17 PM
bray boy

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Originally Posted by Sumac

I asked the same question on the Galway Utd forumn. One of the replies suggested Utd can't have them due to sponsership on the back of the shirts.

bray have sponsership on the bak of the jerseys and we have squad numbers
19/04/2007, 8:18 PM
Poor Student

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Originally Posted by Peadar

I think it's a bit rich to have fans of a college team, telling the rest of us how to run a club.

Following Dublin City's death you are the last remaining franchise so I can understand you're coming down on the Americanised position. I'm more of a traditionalist myself.
19/04/2007, 8:22 PM
Peadar

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

When you rank as high as us in an official club analysis, come back to me about telling us how to run our club.

When you have professional players, fulltime management, coaching, fitness & administration staff, a decent fan base and the overheads of a professional business, then you can come back to me.

Actually, why don't all the UCD mods restart their campaign to get me banned from here. You want to play with the big boys but run off crying when the reality is put in front of you.

We have squad numbers as part of our professionalism. It's something your lot will never know anything about.
19/04/2007, 8:25 PM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by Peadar

We have squad numbers as part of our professionalism. It's something your lot will never know anything about.

Is this the professionalism that nearly got you wound up over unpaid tax last year?

If you want to debate, Peadar, debate away. But the attempts at WUMming and your pathetic bitching aren't going anywhere.
19/04/2007, 8:26 PM
Schumi

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Originally Posted by the seagull

bray have sponsorship on the back of the jerseys and we have squad numbers

That reminds me, that has to be the most ineffective sponsorship I've ever seen. White writing with a thin black outline on a white background, completely impossible to read.
19/04/2007, 9:32 PM
Lim till i die

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

Remember seeing some player in Seria A wearing 99 a few years back.

In fairness the player you're thinking of is probably Cristiano Lucarelli who demanded it when he signed for Livorno to show his support for their violent, Stalinist ultra group the B.A.L which was founded in 1999 and of which Lucarelli was a member even while playing for other clubs :eek:

And if you think that's controversial I'm not even going to go into Buffons squad number in his early days :eek: :eek:
19/04/2007, 9:38 PM
Dodge

Ronaldo currently wears 99 on his jersey. No political reasoning. Just picked the numbers tht'd cover most cloth IMO
19/04/2007, 9:44 PM
Lim till i die

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Ronaldo currently wears 99 on his jersey. No political reasoning. Just picked the numbers tht'd cover most cloth IMO

Forgot about him

Maybe they just squeezed him into two number 9 jerseys sewn together?? :p

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