Do you want Ireland to win, yes or no?

I can't remember the last time i did not look forward to going to an ireland match, and have bene going for nigh on 30 years now. I am not looking forward to tomorrow, the thrill has gone. No matter what they say, I don't think the players give a toss (most of them). They know they're not going to qualify under stan, so its a week away, and make sure they don't get injured when they get back.

As has been said previously short term pain for long term gain, If I thought there would be a change of management if we lost, I'd accept a loss, as like it or not, we are going backwards under Stan at an alarming rate, he hasn't a breeze. I can't see Delaney doing the decent thing, and himself and stan walking the plank, so based on that a win it is ...

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Originally Posted by Paulie

I don't agree with you but you're obviously free to express your opinion. Out of curiosity, if the board and the management at Bohs were doing the same kind of job with your club that Staunton and the FAI are doing with my national team would you want your club to lose? Do you think, as a result of their ineptitude, that you would begin to feel that Bohs no longer represented you and as a result stop supporting them?

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No but thats a different matter. I'll always be represented by Bohs because I'm a member so I'll always feel a part of the club. Club always comes before country for me anyway.

Having said that our defeat to Rovers in the cup last year did result in Farrelly's sacking so maybe that wasn't a bad thing after all.
Plus the reason I feel Ireland don't represent me is not the results, its the whole set up, its the attitude of a section of the players and its Delaney and Staunton themselves.

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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

its the attitude of a section of the players and its Delaney and Staunton themselves.

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i dont believe for a second that players who turn up to play dont care. if they didnt care they just wouldnt turn up.
think about it logically... most of them play for nothing clubs who consider nothing more than premiership survival as success. their only chance of being in the limelight is success (relative or otherwise) with their country. also, i would find it hard to believe that players could turn up to play in front of crowds of the size of last sat and that it wouldnt make them care... they would just be inhuman if that was the case

:) Win!!!!

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Originally Posted by Paulie

I suppose the point I'm trying to get at, is that for me anyway, my national team goes beyond the FAI, the current management or the current players. It's about what the jersey represents. It's the knowledge that whether I agree with the team selection or not, for whatever reason, the eleven players that take the field are representing my country. It's not for me to pick and choose when I support them. I can't stop supporting them because I think the FAI are to a large degree inept or because I don't agree with the current managers tactics or selection policy. I can't just stop supporting them and then when someone else comes in who I like and who plays the same players I would start going to games again. That's not for me anyway.

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Wow, Paulie....will you marry me.....thats exactly how I feel. Same with Liverpool my club side. Even with Houllier, Souness, Kerr, roy keane (who I wasnt a supporter of, it still didnt change how I felt once the match starts - always support - a win always helps no matter how bad things get......

Well done. Thanks for the comment.......
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Obv would like us to win but if we lost i wont lose to much sleep and then thats one result closer to Stauntons head rolling:D

A win without a second thought.I would never want Ireland to lose at anything. I really don’t understand how any Irish person would want to see us get beaten.If we win tomorrow we can only get better as the two Reid’s should be ready for our next qualifier.

No.

BohsPartisan argues my opinion.:D

The lack of passion from the crowd last Saturday emanates from the fact, that under this regime, we are going nowhere and we know it.Football is the opium of the masses, but the gaffer is trying to con us with dodgy gear.THE EMPEROR IS WEARING NO CLOTHES.I was horrified when I heard Bryan Robson was in the running after Kerr, now I would welcome him like a messiah.Jesus how low can we go?Dream double.....Ireland win, and Stan goes{anywhere}

Ireland to win. I don't doubt the commitment of any of the players in the squad. Keane and Duff threatening not to play if Staunton is sacked, you really cannot question their loyalty to this campaign and any attack on the manager is felt by all the squad.

I think we'll get the win. I must say I think the media have been particularly like their counterparts across the pond on this one. Can't blame Stan for giving them all of 30 seconds yesterday out in Malahide when every time he opens his mouth they jump down his throat with cheap shots, picking up on everything he utters. As for those whingers who would rather see Ireland lose as some sort of 'collateral damage' measure and guarantee Stauntons departure sicken me to the pit of my stomach. Will be a cold day in hell when I will any team representing my country to lose.

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Originally Posted by d f x-

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BohsPartisan argues my opinion.:D

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Echo that. I used to be an Ireland fan. Not anymore. The treatment of Kerr by the FAI, the fans and the media was the final straw for me. If that makes me unpatriotic, so be it.

Good god NO

But then I never want Oirland to win :)

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Originally Posted by Lim till i die

Good god NO

But then I never want Oirland to win :)

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Have a great evening tomorrow

Go shopping with the wife or wash the car:p

I want Ireland to win, and win well, but i would prefer defeat to a draw.

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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

No but thats a different matter. I'll always be represented by Bohs because I'm a member so I'll always feel a part of the club. Club always comes before country for me anyway.

Having said that our defeat to Rovers in the cup last year did result in Farrelly's sacking so maybe that wasn't a bad thing after all.
Plus the reason I feel Ireland don't represent me is not the results, its the whole set up, its the attitude of a section of the players and its Delaney and Staunton themselves.

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I don't see it as being a different matter. I have simply asked you how you would react if you found the team you support in the same situation that I find myself in with the team I support. The fact that yours is a club side and mine is a national side is irrelevant in the context of the point that is being made. You state that it's the whole set up, the attitude of the players and John Delaney that you have an issue with. This brings me back to my original question, if a similar situation existed at your club would you want them to lose? There is a big difference between wanting them to lose going into a game and in hindsight seeing the benefits of a loss a few months down the road.

As for your point about being represented by Bohs because you are a member, surely it's the other way around, that you're a member because you feel represented by Bohs. I presume your dedication came first and your joining the club was just a result of that.

I suspect, although I might be wrong, that you've never really felt represented by the national side and that as a result you're far less willing to stick with them when the going gets tough. Hell would probably freeze over before you'd stop supporting Bohs but with regard to Ireland I get the impression you were probably not that fussed in the first place.

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Originally Posted by craig7042

Wow, Paulie....will you marry me.....

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Tempting and all as that offer is I'm going to have to pass.

i want ireland to win , end of story

Crazy stuff. Of course Ireland to win. Always.

Crazy Stuff is right!
The criticisim of Steve Staunton in the press has been over the top, nasty, and vindictive.
The majority of journalists in this country are more interested in maintaining their own brand than writing objectively about football.
Roy Keane - then pours petrol on things. Why not - may as well stick the boot in when a man is down. Half of the Irish nation then believe this man's crap - because Roy said it - not that there is any objective basis to it.
Can you believe what the press would say if Stan said that there had been a bias against Dundalk. And then the comments on Shay Given! This is from a man who walked out on his country during the World Cup and who feigned injury to avoid coming to friendlies. A man who Irish journalists love - because it keeps a good story going. Unlike Roy Keane, Steve Staunton always gave 100% to his country. It is sad but true that Keane would like Stan to lose tonight.
Not me - I hope for a good Irish win.
What will the journalists write then?
Maybe they might write about his gameplan.

Come on Ireland - 100% behind the lads