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People getting upset about foreign nationals working in jobs they are doing of there own free will, and maybe making half decent money should cop on, not me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
More to the point, has anyone done any research to see if they are unhappy?
Sounds like an entrepreneuring type of fella, did he do well on tips?Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavo
When you answer my question about whether anybody has done any research to see if they’re happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by nedder
I take your point about people getting upset (and agree with 100%) but that doesn’t mean that it isn’t a rubbish job and doesn’t mean that everyone doing it would rather be doing something else.
If you honestly believe thse people are happy, fine...
At 2 euro a (tax free) tip i think toilet attendants would be easily earning the minimum wage per hour. Lets say guy works from 11pm to 4pm i think will easily earn more than 40 euro for the night. His costs would be minimal too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
This is typical middle class socialism assuming its some kind of slavery. No one is forcing them to work there as clearly they apporoach the clubs. If you can't get a job in Ireland these days at the unskilled level then you clearly too lazy. Every Spar in Dublin is looking for staff.
:rolleyes:
okay, I'll bite...
And his social insurance stamps?Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
It is not clear that they approach the clubs, but even if they do it doesn't absolve the clubs of paying de facto employees.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Again, assuming that they're allowed to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
A lot of people, in an ideal world, would rather be doing a different job, myself includedQuote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Happiness is all relative anyway...
If they not allowed to work then its illegal for them to work in the clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
I don't approve of toilet attendants but I do blame the clubs for allowing them there in the first place. They have high enough mark up on drink to employ a cleaner.
Exactly, so it's probably not as simple to say they can just go and get a job somewhere else. How people end up getting exploited is because they don't have any options, due to them being illegals, having work permits tied to employers etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
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Originally Posted by Macy
Of course if they are illegal, they shouldn't be here. They have the option of returning home..
I feel it strange that nobody seems curious as to why you would want or need deodourant or aftershave in a nightclub in the firstplace. I mean do people not wash before they head out, in certain areas?
150,000 on the dole in this country. Some of whom get a Christmas bonus:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Pure laziness especially when you consider how many non Irish are here working.
KOH
Get off your rocking horse Pete. If you weren't a mod you'd be ticked off for that kind of flaming.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Same way as Irish people who fled the country during the famine had the "Option" of returning home. I bet if you had fled Nigeria and the only option was working in a jacks or going home, you'd work in the jacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by nedder
Add to the famine example Irish illegals in the states all through the last century and this and the Irish government campaigning to make them legal. The level of ignorance towards the issues that face immigrants in this country is astounding at times.
I'm not ignorant to any difficulties facing immagrants. These people may have applied for asylum which is fair enough. This might be the only type of chance they can get to earn a few bob, as it seems they are self employed to an extent. The guys doing jobs like this are probably much happier doing it than returning home so I for one, don't think they are getting a raw deal. Without knowing how much they make in cash a night, from experience of busy clubs its probably more than minimum wage.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
Taking your point a step further, do you think we should have an open door policy to immagrants? The Eastern eurpeans and Baltics have fueled our economic growth over the last 3 years in particular, and are rightly welcomed to this country but would it be right to have a complete open door policy??
I don't think things are as simple as open door or no open door. I would be against stopping people from coming here to work full stop. As I pointed out it would be hypocritical to the extreme given our history. What really needs to be done though, is to end the conditions that force people out of their homes to become asylun seekers in the first place. What do I think that solution is? See the Socialism thread. In the case of Nigeria, Shell are major culprits.
Has anyone else noticed that the Indo story which precipitated this thread referred throughout to "toilet tenants?" Unless the attendants involved are locked in the cubicles at night, we shall have to assume that the journalist in question doesn't know the difference between the two words, and his sub-editor was too stupid to notice, presumably because the error wasn't flagged on a spell-check.
Bohs Partisan, agree on finding a solution on the root cause of the problem.
I'll go read the Socialism thread..though I have to admit i'm not a fan of your politics. I'm open to learning, but I believe that entrepreneurship and hard work should be rewarded. However, I also believe that no one should be sleeping on our street or going hungry.
or sleeping in a jacks if their "toilet tenants":pQuote:
Originally Posted by nedder
So do I. I don't believe it is though. Last I'll say on this particular subject here. Any further queries in said thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by nedder
Are they paying rent on the jacks?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheridan