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Firstly: asses them properly- i.e. when referees like Hanlon and O´Neill have a stinker reffing a particular club, you keep them away from that club for at least a few games.

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- Dick O'Hanlon retired last season

- A referee cannot have the same club twice in a month

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Secondly: end this dublin referee for a cork-dublin game joke.

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- Ten team league: Six of the ten are from Dublin (including Bray)
Cork City play nine teams of which six are from Dublin.

Where do we get the referees from when ccfc are playing Dublin teams? Kerry?

The fact remains that the best referees in the country are refereeing in the eircom league whether you agree or not.

Surley you'd prefer to have a good referee from Dublin instead of a poor referee from down/up the country somewhere.

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Fourthly: there´s not much you can do to improve a bad ref. he´s bad full stop.

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1200 referees in the country. 50 or so in the national league.

those 50 are there because they're the best referees in the country.

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Might be worth while starting a letter campaign to try to get rid of Damien Han**** from the Eircom League.

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Damien Han**** is one of the most promising referees on the eircom league panel.

He handled the city bohs game very well no matter what ye all think. He did very well in the circumstances.

Yeah, he made a few mistakes but christ its very easy to judge when you're sitting in the stand or at the back of the shed.

I can guarantee you hes a lot better referee than you Betcelt.

You don't want him refereeing, you want to start a letter campaign to try to get rid of him?

What would we do then?

just leave the fans ref the games?

we'll have Betcelt reffing the first half and somebody from the other crowd reffin' the second half?

ye're all full of rubbish criticising referees but nobody has anything constructive to say about it.

all ye can say is:

Glasses, and a monkey wrench to get what ever they have up their @sses out!

i´m just fed up of inept refereeing.

The display friday (refs) was absolutely the worst performance from a referee I have ever seen and I include Inchacore99disaster case in that. (complete tripe)

every borderline decision seemed to go against us (you watching the same game as me???????)

and of course

The Cork refs (bar Alan Kelly) are fairly poor in terms of what I´ve seen. It´s nothing to do with any particular decisions, it´s just the profound, simple unfairness of it.

so the cork refs are no good and ye don't like the dublin refs and ye don't like waterford refs.

would ye like graham poll and david elleray to fly over every week?

yeah. course ye would.

even if ye'd pierluigi collina ye'd bitch about him.

anyone thinks they can do better than what ye see every week then do the course and be a referee.

otherwise shut up and stop bitchin' cause ye're all talking crap.

Ref, whether you call it bitching or not, people are entitled to express what they think.

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those 50 are there because they're the best referees in the country.

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That may be so, but all that means is that the standard of refereeing in this country is appalling.

As for me doing a course to be a ref, I , as well as others, often give out about players.
Would doing a course and taking up playing solve anything ??
No. The problem is that the FAI do not do a proper job, and referees feel they are above any sort of criticism.
The FAI should make it very attractive for refs, i.e. pay them at least €250 + expenses for each game, but also there would have to be stringent standards in place which the refs would have to consistently meet. All that happens now is that referees police other referees and will not criticise one of their own.
Simply saying the top 50 refs are in the eL is pointless if they are not very good referees.

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Ref, whether you call it bitching or not, people are entitled to express what they think.

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Thats all they do, oddboy.

The ref did this, the ref did that.

He didn't do this, he didn't do that.

All people do is moan moan moan.

One guy wants to start a petition to get rid of Damien Han****!

As if thats going to get us anywhere!!

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The FAI should make it very attractive for refs, i.e. pay them at least €250 + expenses for each game,

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yes that sounds nice, we'd all love money like that but does throwing a load of money at a referee make him referee a game any differently??

i think not.

he'd still referee in the same way.

believe it or not some of our referees are actually very good except ye're all just looking through rose tinted glasses.

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but also there would have to be stringent standards in place which the refs would have to consistently meet

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at EVERY premier league game there is a referees assessor who assesses the performance of the referees.

if the referees don't do the job right they can be dropped or demoted for a period of time, which does happen.

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All that happens now is that referees police other referees and will not criticise one of their own

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who else is going to assess our referees???

do you just go by what the fans say?????

and of course an assessor will deal with a referee who's not up to scratch.

why wouldn't he?

if a referee is deemed not up to the job he is dealt with.

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Simply saying the top 50 refs are in the eL is pointless if they are not very good referees.

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I know what you're saying but I was referring to 'Dublin bias' and all that malarky.

not very good referees?

they're picked in the first case because they're good referees.

oh i dunno, some people.

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Would doing a course and taking up refereeing solve anything ??

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yes. then you could say you were as qualified as the referee. if you refereed you could understand his job more and see what he was giving decisions for.

you would really realise whether he is a good or a bad referee
then.

only when you referee yourself first though.

There are 50 odd refs on the el panel. 27 are dubs 23 are not.

Han**** made a sham of the Bohs/City game.FOR BOTH TEAMS.

No matter how much tripe you think it is to critise genuinely poor performances it does not hide the fact that the standard of referees in the eL is not good enough. this country is trying to improve the standard of soccer. One of the switch off factors for the floating fan is poor organisation and poor officiating, if referees continue to be poor the fans simply won't keep coming.

Now we all like to have a little moan about referees from time to time (especially when a big decision goes against us) and it is also true that it is probably the most thankless job in the league the simple fact of the matter is that the standard of referees is lower than the standard of the league itself.:mad:

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Originally posted by Ref

at EVERY premier league game there is a referees assessor who assesses the performance of the referees.
if the referees don't do the job right they can be dropped or demoted for a period of time, which does happen.

yes. then you could say you were as qualified as the referee. if you refereed you could understand his job more and see what he was giving decisions for.
you would really realise whether he is a good or a bad referee
then.
only when you referee yourself first though.

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Ref, you are talking positively the BIGGEST load of s***e I've ever seen.:mad: You're worse than a bloody sleazy Brit tabloid. Refs are like members of Government, they will absolutely NEVER criticise one another. When did you ever see a ref demoted from eL games due to consistently crap performances?
To say that someone has to be a ref before they can criticise is absolutely ridiculous. :mad: Most of us already know the rules of the game inside out, upside down and backwards. You're typical of the eejits who say you can't have an opinion on an issue just because you're not directly involved.

Murphy Out Now!!!

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Ref, you are talking positively the BIGGEST load of s***e I've ever seen.

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of course i am :o :rolleyes:

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Most of us already know the rules of the game inside out, upside down and backwards.

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yeeah. most people couldn't name 10 of them, never mind know them inside out and upside down.

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Refs are like members of Government, they will absolutely NEVER criticise one another.

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enter the world of refereeing and you'll find otherwise.

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When did you ever see a ref demoted from eL games due to consistently crap performances?

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it happens. its just not made public knowledge.

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Originally posted by Ref

of course i am :o :rolleyes:

yeeah. most people couldn't name 10 of them, never mind know them inside out and upside down.

enter the world of refereeing and you'll find otherwise.

it happens. its just not made public knowledge.

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1. Glad you've acknowledged you are. Admittance is the first step to recovery. On the other hand refs seem to be terminal cases.
2. Just cause people can't NAME rules doesn't mean they don't understand and can't interpret them.
3. That reiterates my earlier point. You are a s**t talking idiot who denies others an opinion on an issue purely because they lack DIRECT involvement in it.
4. I have to dispute that it does. The eL refereeing panel has remained largely the same, barring retirements, over the last number of years. This despite several refs being worthy of PERMANENT demotion from the panel. The lack of public knowledge highlights my point on refs and the Government. They are not accountable and enjoy being tucked away in their own cosy little cliques.

Murphy Out Now!!!