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Den,Quote:
Originally Posted by Den Perry
I don't want to compromise the integrity of this thread, dealing as it does, with the "Greatest Ever ROI XI".
However, when I get a while to think about it properly, I might start a separate thread for a "Greatest Ever Irish XI", though.
I guess it will last about 10 posts before the Mods transfer it to the Current Affairs section, and another 10 before they bin it altogether...:p
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Originally Posted by Den Perry
I am sure that quartet would sort out how to provide width. Also, with Irwin's and Dunne's ability to overlap, I'd be confident the shape would be right.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Your point about Robbie (inconsistency), is exactly why I would have Stapleton and Givens ahead of him.
shay given
got that free dvd with the sun, normally i would never buy that rag but you know a free football dvd!
watching paul mcgrath on it, awesome, def the best the rep has ever produced
was thinking that paul mcgrath basically did enough in our def to cover 2.3 players, and thats why we went to 2 world cups
about the north, jennings and best
someone is having a laugh if they say Givens is as good as Jennings!
Alan Kelly vs Shay Given. Dont honestly see how this can go any way but to Given who is a world class goalie. I'd have Packie instead of Alan KellyQuote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Lawrenson at CB is a tough one, would wonder about O'Leary or Moran here. I'd want to find a position for Johnny Carey, probably at left Back.
The problem in midfield is that 3 of our 4 greatest players are Central Midfielders (Giles, Keane and Brady). Seems harsh to leave one out when Duff gets in (though he is our best LM). But if I had to leave one out it would probably be Giles. Dont think you can have Giles and Keane as they are similar. So Brady gets in as more creative. In the end achievement matters and Roy got us into a WC.
Don Givens!!! Even ignoring the fact he was rubbish, his handling of the U21's should exclude him.
I know we're not blessed up front but God wouldnt you choose Quinn, Aldridge or Robbie ahead of these 2?
If we can pick a non 442 would have
Given
Irwin McGrath Moran Carey
Houghton Keane Giles Duff
Brady
Aldridge
way to young to remember most ROI players but going by past clips would have to be Giles.
I haven't a clue about Carey.
Alan Kelly Snr. was a class goalie, stylish like Jennings, my first hero when diving full length across concrete school yards.
What ever opinions about Givens as coach wouldn't cloud my value of him as a player, he could never be regarded as a rubbish player, except when he was of course.
But it's Stapleton and who ever else you want up front. Frank's game against France '81 was the best I have ever seen from a front man for Ireland.
Given
Irwin, McGrath, Moran, G. Kelly (on his WC94 form)
Ray Houghton, Roy Keane, Sheridan, Duff
Aldridge, Robbie Keane
Due to my age I havent seen too much pre 88, so my selection has a 88/90/94 bias
I have also got left an right the wrong way round
Given, irwin, Mcgrath, Lawrenson, Hughton
, Whelan,Giles, keane, Brady
stapleton, keane
Very nice team Paul, who's your captain? :)
Roy Keane
Its a team of captains, but Keane or Giles, given that he does more with less Technical ability than Giles, I'll give it to keane..
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Originally Posted by Brooklyn ZMB
couldn't have put it better myself..
And what was it they said about Giles, he could do everything Brady could do, but with both feet :D
Did you ever see Don Givens play?Quote:
Originally Posted by cavan_fan
Made his Ireland debut in Copenhagen in May 1969 in a 0-1 defeat. He won 56 caps and scored 19 goals, 4 in his first seven games, often playing up front on his own or with Ray Treacy between 1969 and 1975. In October 1974 against Russia in Dalymount Givens scored all three in the 3-0 win. In October 1975 against Turkey at Dalymount, he scored all four in the 4-0 win.
In October 1976 against Turkey away in a 3-3 draw, he was joined up front by a young debutant, Frank Stapleton. They played three games together before renewing his parnership with Treacy for that never to be fogotten 1-0 win against France in March 1977. Givens and Stapleton hooked up again in June 1977 against Bulgaria and played the remaining three games that year and played together regularly up to 1979.
His last start for Ireland was against Wales in Tolka Park in February 1981 and his last cap came in another memorable 3-2 win against France in Lansdowne Road in October 1981, when he came in near the end as a substitute for Stapleton.
He scored for Ireland in three different decades, the sixties (3 in 1969), the seventies (15 in total) and the eighties (1 in 1980).
Yeah, real rubbish!!! :confused: :rolleyes:
I must say that on the DVD torrent download McGrath looks outstanding, he looks world class on all the clips, the short clip of him defending against Italy in New York is something else. We sure could we do with a player like that right now!!Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Mcgrath by a mile then Brady and Keane!
Keane & Giles.
I'm 33 so vaguely remember him playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superhoops
Looking at these stats though, if he scored 7 in 2 matches that means in his remaining 54 matches he scored 12 goals. Don't forget at the team Turkey were a joke team, not much above the standard that some of the minnows are now. (This was before 'there are no easy games in international football').
You have to look at club careers to help compare and the only top class strikers we have had are Stapleton and Aldridge. Quinn and possibly Robbie Keane are a bit behind that. After that we have journeymen like Givens, Cascarino, Treacy etc etc
Or you could say that Brady could do with one foot what other great players needed 2 for:)Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulB