Shels players not getting their wages?

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15/06/2006, 11:16 AM
el punter

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Originally Posted by Dodge

And Can I ask you to elaborate what Shels have brought to the league in the last 20 years

I think they've been synonymous with a raising of the standard of the football within the league. They have to be credited for their European exploits and the work done to make Tolka Park the best ground in the league.

I accept that they are a litigous lot to say the least, and have questionable financial nous, and have a very poor supporter base. But I don't see how Irish football improves by losing Shelbourne.

They may well prove to be a cautionary tale for the Irish game as Leeds Utd were for the Premiership.

As for Ollie Byrne - he is not Shelbourne, he is a man behind Shelbourne; a club that was around long before he got involved and hopefully long after his involvement.
15/06/2006, 11:19 AM
Speranza

Ollie Byrne is Mr Shelbourne and he instils in the club an attitude of thuggery from punching cameramen to Fenlon ignoring bans. This attitude also exists with the players who are, to a man, dirty *******s.
15/06/2006, 11:32 AM
Roverstillidie

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Originally Posted by el punter

I think they've been synonymous with a raising of the standard of the football within the league. They have to be credited for their European exploits and the work done to make Tolka Park the best ground in the league.

all based on an unprecedented level of borrowing that has ultimatly cost them their stadium. our financial friends call it a bubble, and guess what bubbles do?

as dodge says, its harder to be sympathetic to the culture that exists at tolka park. and even harder to understand the reaction (or lack thereof) of the shels fans.

could you imagine any of the other premier clubs forums being so silent if this sort of news was announced to them? :confused:
15/06/2006, 7:11 PM
el punter

You would think at least one of their fans would have turned up here by now to defend some of this :)

With no Shels, and Bohs out in Castleknock, the Northside of Dublin City will have a big hole in it where football used to be. And that will be sad to say the least, regardless of what you may think about Shelbourne their lack of fans and the way they conduct themselves.
15/06/2006, 9:47 PM
Anto McC

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Originally Posted by BohsBohsBohs

Shelbourne are scum, their players are scum, they are run by a ex-con cheating thug, their fans are deluded twits, I hate them.

How many fans turned up at the game after their "glorious" 0-0 draw with Deportivo?

If Shelbourne went up in flames tonight I'd go to Drumcondra, cut off the water supply, and have a barbecue.

:( What??

Oh my god..........are you serious..........how could you say such a thing.........thats not very nice at all.......why dont you like us......this is such a suprise :rolleyes:

Listen son,jealousy is a terrible thing!
15/06/2006, 10:56 PM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by ColinR

thank you student mullet. it is a very important figure as it decides the basis of what a prudent club/company etc has available to spend - which as student mullet has pointed out, this is what the fai are trying to get clubs to control.

it is the only 'simple' figure that should be available as a basis for setting a wage cap within our league - and therefore controlling the key expenditure item for each and every club.

your lecture is also irrelavant as you are comparing example companies from differing industries - wheras the fai will be looking at club's financial records which all form part of the same industry - i.e football clubs. and as such it is an important starting figure, and is relevant across the board.

Therefore it is actually a more relevant figure than the many others (such as net profit/(loss) etc)for setting future expenditure caps - as it dictates what each club (remember we are all in the same industry!!!!) can spend (if current income trends remain), in order to prevent clubs going under.

lecture over ;)

Hang on Colin (apologies to everyone else for the brief aside from Shels's' implosion..). Did you read Student Mullett's message at all ?? :confused: He basically agreed with me !

He says that EXPENDITURE is the key figure in football. I said that TURNOVER WAS NOT THE KEY FIGURE, and others were more important - such as profit, income and expenditure. Therefore, we're broadly in-agreement.

Turnover is largely irrelevant here, and it will NOT be the key figure the FAI will be looking at in clubs.

Now write out 100 times..... ;)
15/06/2006, 11:37 PM
higgins

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Originally Posted by el punter

You would think at least one of their fans would have turned up here by now to defend some of this :)

With no Shels, and Bohs out in Castleknock, the Northside of Dublin City will have a big hole in it where football used to be. And that will be sad to say the least, regardless of what you may think about Shelbourne their lack of fans and the way they conduct themselves.

Bohs in Castleknock ???
When :confused:

It will be a long long long time before that happens, IF that happens.
They have still not signed the contract for the 'easy money' 2 million.

Plenty of hard work ahead if they are to get out of Dalymount.

As for NO SHELS :)
Way ahead of yourself there !
15/06/2006, 11:57 PM
Risteard

Is your sig meant to be ironic Higgins?
15/06/2006, 11:59 PM
higgins

No,

Wheres the irony ?
16/06/2006, 12:10 AM
Risteard

I think the consensus is he's not good at football anymore.
At least not to fight for a place with Robbie Keane, Kevin Doyle, Stephen elliot, Lee Trundle nor Jason Byrne or Gary O'Neill for that matter.
16/06/2006, 1:17 AM
Student Mullet

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Hang on Colin (apologies to everyone else for the brief aside from Shels's' implosion..). Did you read Student Mullett's message at all ?? :confused: He basically agreed with me !

He says that EXPENDITURE is the key figure in football. I said that TURNOVER WAS NOT THE KEY FIGURE, and others were more important - such as profit, income and expenditure. Therefore, we're broadly in-agreement.

Turnover is largely irrelevant here, and it will NOT be the key figure the FAI will be looking at in clubs.

Now write out 100 times..... ;)

I don't know why my approval is so sought after but, for the record, I agreed with ColinR.
16/06/2006, 1:58 AM
BohsFans

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Originally Posted by Anto McC

Listen son,jealousy is a terrible thing!

:D :D That takes the biscuit, it really does. :rolleyes:
16/06/2006, 7:30 AM
Terry

whatever happens to Shels will be fully deserved (if anything happens at all) but would some supporters rather see shels gone and some small club come in with an average gate that will probably struggle to get 100 past the gates?? like kildare, kilkenny etc (no offence to the named clubs)
16/06/2006, 8:46 AM
Patrick Dunne

Terry is right. I know its hard for supporters of other Dublin clubs to take a
dispassionate (?) view, but the demise of Shelbourne, or any of the other of 20 proper clubs in the EL, would be a bad day for Irish football.
16/06/2006, 9:00 AM
BohDiddley

Shelbourne.
Cynical football. Cynical signings. Bohs haters. Bohs squad wreckers. Whinging management. Rootless imposters. Deluded fans. No fans. FAI/Delaney poodles. Money-driven. Money-ruined.
I won't be shedding any tears if their ill-gotten players walk. But do I want there to be no Shelbourne? I don't think so, and I don't see how any football fan can wish that.
Shelbourne's troubles, and those of all other national league clubs, are a symptom of the systematic shafting of Irish football by the political, sporting and media establishment of this country over the past several decades. Excuse me if I don't join the celebratory barbecue.
16/06/2006, 9:10 AM
Jerry The Saint

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Originally Posted by Anto McC

Listen son,jealousy is a terrible thing!

It's not jealousy! We'd hate you even if you had no trophies, no ground and no cash to pay wages. Oh hang on a minute...
16/06/2006, 9:49 AM
Raheny Red

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Originally Posted by BohsBohsBohs

What he said.

Shelbourne are scum, their players are scum, they are run by a ex-con cheating thug, their fans are deluded twits, I hate them.

How many fans turned up at the game after their "glorious" 0-0 draw with Deportivo?

If Shelbourne went up in flames tonight I'd go to Drumcondra, cut off the water supply, and have a barbecue.

Yes we are scum :rolleyes: don't think you can say much with your element. Tut tut gypo :rolleyes: :ball:
16/06/2006, 10:01 AM
TheOwl

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Originally Posted by BohDiddley

Shelbourne.
Cynical football. Cynical signings. Bohs haters. Bohs squad wreckers. Whinging management. Rootless imposters. Deluded fans. No fans. FAI/Delaney poodles. Money-driven. Money-ruined.
I won't be shedding any tears if their ill-gotten players walk. But do I want there to be no Shelbourne? I don't think so, and I don't see how any football fan can wish that.
Shelbourne's troubles, and those of all other national league clubs, are a symptom of the systematic shafting of Irish football by the political, sporting and media establishment of this country over the past several decades. Excuse me if I don't join the celebratory barbecue.

This type of hatred I can live with. I could go on a similar rant on why i hate Bohs and Rovers, but I don't want either club to disappear.
16/06/2006, 10:13 AM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by TheOwl

This type of hatred I can live with. I could go on a similar rant on why i hate Bohs and Rovers, but I don't want either club to disappear.

And thats fine. I hate Shels and I hope it disappears. We disagree. No biggie...
16/06/2006, 10:49 AM
bigmac

I'm no Shels fan but:

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Because "rules are rules" when it suits them

I can't blame them for using every trick in the rule book to get out of this that and the other - the fact is that the EL/FAI rule book is completely incompetent and idiotic - if it was administered and applied properly then there wouldn't be a loophole to get out of everything. In my book, the fact that they can get away with challenges to rules and sanctions is the league's fault - it happens in every sport and although it's not fair/sporting etc.., whether it's bans in GAA or citing in rugby, most teams will exploit a loophole that is present

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Because they've mortgaged their whole future on short term success

Wouldn't make them any different to a lot of clubs really - look at Rovers before the fans took over - why is this a reason for Shels and not Rovers. I would much rather see a team who did this completely fail and end up relegated and reorganised rather than disolved.

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Because Ollie Byrne is a criminal

This always really annoys me when people come out with it. Yeah he commited a crime and he did his sentence. Crime-punishment - that's it - he's paid the price for it and he should be allowed to move on, isn't that the whole point of prison? Do you think people who have been to prison should be banned from ever doing anything else? I'm sure there are other clubs out there who have shareholders with some form of a record, but it doesn't seem to be a problem there?

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Because he's a f.ucking c.unt too

If Ollie wasn't there would you then change your mind about Shels?

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Because when winning the league they brought less than 1,000 fans to a game in Dublin

If they brought 10,000 you'd be complaining about bandwagoners.

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Because of repeated legal challenges
Because of having too much influence within the FAI/el

see first one

As far as I'm concerned it's never a cause for celebration when a club gets into difficulty. A bit of schandenfreude perhaps - we're only human, but football in this country could do without this being the number one story of the year - when things have finally started to look a bit more positive with better football on average, the setanta cup, games on tv, players in international squad etc., the last thing we need is another season where a club folding or being in big trouble occupies the media's attention.

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