Shels Want to build a Casino at dalymount

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09/02/2006, 6:57 PM
chippie0001

As someone not opposed to groundshare this is what I would want before I would agree to it:

Until the actual new stadium is in place, the land remains in the name of Bohemian FC 100%. When this stand is in place then Shels can own half the ground. If they actually build the stand I dont see them moving to Abbotstown after spending say �12m or so.

Next the ground would be owned 50/50 no FAI involvment in any shape or form. Also to sell the ground etc at any stage in the future would require a 75% majority meaning with the Bohs members consent no one can do anything other than football.

The new stadium would have to be capable of generating substantial revenue from none football to cover the income we will lose on the rent of the pitch, car park and bars, over �500k pa. Without this income we would be more screwed than we are so long term this income is even more important.

The stadium would have to hold at least 12,000 people or there is no point in doing this. Getting the planning etc for this will be next to impossible so thats why Shels don't own it until the last seat goes in.

Lastly and the biggest stumbling point, how much we get for selling half our rights in the land. This will be the biggest hurdle to jump, with values of �5m to �50m on the site. To me we will not get half the value at development rates but should get far more than what is being offered.

In short Shels get nothing until the stadium is built and we get a big cash injection. On that basis we would be in a good strong position to move forward, if not we should just sit on the land and watch it appreciate in value. Its not as though we actually need more than the Jodi stand. If its a good deal I will think about it, if its pressure from the FAI/Shels and Govt, well they can all talk a running jump.
09/02/2006, 8:58 PM
MrJoeSoap

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Originally Posted by sfc red

Wow a full house at Dalymount???????????

Couldn't let that go without a "LOL" or a "ROFL".

This "casino" plan sounds like utter nonsense to me.
10/02/2006, 6:44 AM
bohs til i die

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Originally Posted by pete

Without going off topic too much there would not too much opposition to such a move now. When we originally moved to Bishopstown the city bus route stopped 1/2 a mile down the road & was very poor access (possibly similar to proposed shels move to north dublin). If we moved now wouild be next to the Greyhound stadium (loads of parking) & have slip road from the ring road 200m away. You will find that vast majority of City support are looking towards a future possible municipal stadium sharing with other sports on city outskirts.

you have just given a total contradiction to your original point about Bohs moving to Abbottstown being a good move for Bohs.

Abbotstown is everything that Bishopstown was back in the 90's. A field in a not too central location.
10/02/2006, 12:42 PM
pete

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Originally Posted by bohs til i die

Abbotstown is everything that Bishopstown was back in the 90's. A field in a not too central location.

Abbotstown is few minutes walk from Blanchardstown Town Centre - i mean the NAC so i suppose stadium be next to it. Has dualcarraige way within view of it too. Anyway the location isn't my main point - just saying i don't see Bohs staying in Dalymount in the long term.
10/02/2006, 12:51 PM
bohs til i die

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Originally Posted by pete

Abbotstown is few minutes walk from Blanchardstown Town Centre - i mean the NAC so i suppose stadium be next to it. Has dualcarraige way within view of it too. Anyway the location isn't my main point - just saying i don't see Bohs staying in Dalymount in the long term.

you dont really know the precise location at all. It would be disasterous for Bohs.

Dalymount is 15 minutes walk from Dublin City Centre, is served by about 20different bus routes and is in a prime location.

If Bohs as a club was run efficiently and with foresight we would be ideally located to be a dominant force in the EL.
10/02/2006, 1:12 PM
pete

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Originally Posted by bohs til i die

If Bohs as a club was run efficiently and with foresight we would be ideally located to be a dominant force in the EL.

Ahem... :eek:

IF my aunt had balls...
10/02/2006, 1:29 PM
Bald Student

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Originally Posted by pete

Ahem... :eek:

IF my aunt had balls...

The point is that location isn't a problem for Bohs. Changing location won't solve whatever problems they have.
10/02/2006, 4:04 PM
sonofstan

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Originally Posted by Bald Student

The point is that location isn't a problem for Bohs. Changing location won't solve whatever problems they have.

.....and it has the potential to make some of those problems worse. Staying where we are is at the very least, equivalent to stopping digging in relation to the hole* we are in.

* cue 'do you mean Dalymount/ Phibsboro' / Dublin'? comments
14/02/2006, 4:32 PM
anto eile

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Originally Posted by pete

Without going off topic too much there would not too much opposition to such a move now. When we originally moved to Bishopstown the city bus route stopped 1/2 a mile down the road & was very poor access (possibly similar to proposed shels move to north dublin). If we moved now wouild be next to the Greyhound stadium (loads of parking) & have slip road from the ring road 200m away. You will find that vast majority of City support are looking towards a future possible municipal stadium sharing with other sports on city outskirts.

municipal stadiums are fine.
but on the outskirts of the city its a disaster. juventus are the perfect example.
bohs or shels moving to abbotstown would destroy either club. where the fvck is abbostown anyway?
if i were a bohs member, i wouldnt let ollie byrne near dalymount. if ollie gets his hands on 48-50% of the stadium id give it 10 years at the most before he owns a majority of it.
if i was a bohs fan/member,and IF the gypos were to share with shels, one non-negotiable condition i would have is that ollie byrne must step down permanently from ANY official capacity with shels. ie hel be just another fan.
14/02/2006, 5:14 PM
Raheny Red

Well at the Shels meeting last night it was said that Shels and Bohs would own 50% each of a company which would be in control of the ground!

When the board were asked "what happens to the ground if either club goes into debt?" They answered "neither club would be able sell the ground to recuperate finances unless it was agreed by both clubs!"
14/02/2006, 6:35 PM
Bald Student

I understand that the arrangement at Lansdown Road is that the FAI, the IRFU and the governent each have a share in the stadium but that the IRFU still owns the land under it.

Would that arrangement suit this situation? Shels get the use of a new stadium but don't benefit from any future land sale?
14/02/2006, 6:39 PM
chippie0001

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Originally Posted by Bald Student

I understand that the arrangement at Lansdown Road is that the FAI, the IRFU and the governent each have a share in the stadium but that the IRFU still owns the land under it.

Would that arrangement suit this situation? Shels get the use of a new stadium but don't benefit from any future land sale?

That is exactly the deal with lansdowne, the IRFU own the land 100%. Now in reality they cannot sell it once the stadium is there, but the FAI have no interest on the freehold. A vital difference than the proposed deal.
14/02/2006, 7:23 PM
Bald Student

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Originally Posted by chippie0001

That is exactly the deal with lansdowne, the IRFU own the land 100%. Now in reality they cannot sell it once the stadium is there, but the FAI have no interest on the freehold. A vital difference than the proposed deal.

Exactly, it protects the rugby union from the FAI and the Government joining forces to vote to sell the stadium. If I was a bohemian member, that's what I'd be arguing for.
16/02/2006, 8:11 AM
sfc red

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Thats ablout the size of it but I reckon within 3 years BOhs and Shels will be playing at Abbotstown and Pats and Rovers playing in Tallaght.

And I won't be going to the games...

Bandwagon jumper.
16/02/2006, 8:22 AM
Jerry The Saint

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Originally Posted by sfc red

Bandwagon jumper.

Don't you mean Bandwagon hopper-offer:confused: :)
19/02/2006, 1:06 AM
A face

Speaking with a few of the lads last night and one of them seemed to think that Shels moving to Dalyer was the first step to both clubs merging together. I suppose that it could possibly be seen as that. Make you wonder though .... Shelemians, Bohbourne, Bohlebians, who knows ?? ;)
19/02/2006, 3:56 PM
CollegeTillIDie

Shelbohs sounds better A Face :) But I think they might go with something like Phibsborough United :D
20/02/2006, 1:04 PM
hoops1

or

Shel lesbians :D
20/02/2006, 5:07 PM
Vitruvian Man

I have good sources in both clubs and, while nothing is decided yet, negotiations have been started to put a name on this proposed super-club.

Both teams identities need to be well represented so they have decided that "Shel" will definately form part of the new name and "Boh" will be a placeholder for Bohemian FCs great tradition, and since both clubs names finish with an "N" sound it was a no-brainer really

My source in the Bohs Board negotiating team told me that they really played hardball with Ollie and Finbar Flood and I can exclusively reveal to you that the new clubs name will be...

Shelbohrne Football Club.

They tell me they are getting a great deal on the land sale too...

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