Bertie & the Catholic Church

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Originally Posted by klein4

I agree with what your sayin but that oul "if it was said about muslims....blah balh blah..." is one of the most innane things that is always trotted out....and just as bloody offensive

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It was just an example of other religions MORMON as well for example...I could have listed all of the faiths across the world but that would involve even more typing and I'm not trained in typing nor am i able to list all religions, my arms and head were getting tired but to get my point across without being offensive.....

"If the subject matter was on any other religious teaching and that type of remark was thrown aimlessly into a debate you would be told so by anyone who has a keen eye for all the -isms that are not PC on this forum, just so."

I apologise for offence caused - this is not how i was thinking...:)

[QUOTE=anto1208]surely if your by no means a good irish catolic your just lieing to yourself i thought it was all or nothing with religion or can you just pick and choose the bits that suit you and your life style ?

I knew someone would pick up on that and i had a feeling it might be you;) I never once said the Catholic Religion was all or nothing i believe in God and i believe in a heaven and just because im not a model Catholic but that doesnt make me any less religious and there was also a but after good Catholic Irish Girl. Anyway the Catholic Church teaches you that once you confess your sins your forgiven so i suppose after confession i am a good Irish Catholic Girl

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Originally Posted by John83

Does a child of atheist parents have to take that?

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I dont know how many schools actually teach it as an exam subject,
I only know its on the list cos my girlfreind is a religion teacher.
She teaches in a CBS so thats why its taight for exams there.

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Originally Posted by anto1208

surely if your by no means a good irish catolic your just lieing to yourself i thought it was all or nothing with religion or can you just pick and choose the bits that suit you and your life style ?

thats the way i am i dont agree with absolutly all the church's teachings so id feel like a hypocryte going to mass and pretending i was a catolic .

i do belive in god and his teachings but i choose to live my life the way he wants me to by being a good honest and kind person rather than sitting in a room once a week , chanting and handing over hard earned cash ... most people call these cults !! .

you ve been brain washed by this cult and now your doing the same to your kids .with out giving them a choice

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And i totally agree with tired and emotional there if thats what your religion is teaching you to slag of other religions very harshly then i wouldnt want to be in your "cult";)

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Originally Posted by Tired&Emotional

Before I pop to the chemist for a few aspirin after all this, I just had to say that's the biggest load of nonsense and indeed quite insulting to any member of the Catholic faith - I for one take offence.

If the subject matter was on Muslim or Mormon teaching and that type of remark was thrown aimlessly into a debate you would be told so by anyone who has a keen eye for all the -isms that are not PC on this forum, just so.

Think before you lash out with your own twisted insults please.:mad:

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explain the difference to me so between a catolic and a member of any other cult , musilim ,morman ,jedi !!! . outside the slight differences in beliefs

cults have a certain belief system , they meet up they repeat chants over and over again and collect money from the masses .

it reminds me of the simpsons episode with the cult homer joins , and rev lovejoy is talking of the dangers of cults , he says they brain wash you with there repetitive chanting and take your money .... then he says we'll say our lords prayer a dosen times while the collection plate is being passed around .

the church asks for money from the poorest people ,yet the vatican is full of gold it has a swimming pool a bowling alley etc etc etc ... do you not even wonder about it at all ???

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Originally Posted by Tired&Emotional

If the subject matter was on Muslim or Mormon teaching and that type of remark was thrown aimlessly into a debate you would be told so by anyone who has a keen eye for all the -isms that are not PC on this forum, just so.

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Same would apply if the state was funding 95% muslim schools. They're not in this country, so why would we be saying it?

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Originally Posted by anto1208

the church asks for money from the poorest people ,yet the vatican is full of gold it has a swimming pool a bowling alley etc etc etc ... do you not even wonder about it at all ???

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I was actually in the Vatican last week (I was on hols in Rome) and couldnt
get over the place. Theres more gold there than you can shake a stick at!

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Originally Posted by anto1208

explain the difference to me so between a catolic and a member of any other cult , musilim ,morman ,jedi !!! . outside the slight differences in beliefs

cults have a certain belief system , they meet up they repeat chants over and over again and collect money from the masses .

it reminds me of the simpsons episode with the cult homer joins , and rev lovejoy is talking of the dangers of cults , he says they brain wash you with there repetitive chanting and take your money .... then he says we'll say our lords prayer a dosen times while the collection plate is being passed around .

the church asks for money from the poorest people ,yet the vatican is full of gold it has a swimming pool a bowling alley etc etc etc ... do you not even wonder about it at all ???

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Back again. A cult is seen as dangerous by people these days and is more associated with the devil than God. Isnt the KKK a cult.


Of course the church has money why shouldnt it, it has to run itself like a business or it would just die out. Bob f*cking Geldof sits in a mansion but you dont see anything wrong with thats.

when the swimming association was hit by sex abuse scandals the government cut off funding til they got their house in order. why the different approach to the catholic church. why couldnt they have paid their own compensation to victims if they are so rich?

bowling alley in the vatican?????
...that sounds like something straight out of fr ted....

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Originally Posted by Green Army Girl

Back again. A cult is seen as dangerous by people these days and is more associated with the devil than God. Isnt the KKK a cult.

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I'd guess most cults worship a God.

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Originally Posted by Tired&Emotional

...that's the biggest load of nonsense and indeed quite insulting to any member of the Catholic faith - I for one take offence.

If the subject matter was on Muslim or Mormon teaching and that type of remark was thrown aimlessly into a debate you would be told so by anyone who has a keen eye for all the -isms that are not PC on this forum, just so.

Think before you lash out with your own twisted insults please.:mad:

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I'll happily criticise any religion I know a bit about. Most of us here know a bit about Catholicism to be able to argue that its teachings are whatever we take them to be. If someone compairs your faith to a cult, take a moment to actually consider the comparison. If you can't find an answer, don't go hiding behind the offended flag.

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Originally Posted by Green Army Girl

And i totally agree with tired and emotional there if thats what your religion is teaching you to slag of other religions very harshly then i wouldnt want to be in your "cult";)

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well since yours does nt just teach you but practices the actions of covering up for pedophile's murder's , rapists, kidnappers . makes me very very glad im not in there anymore.

the KKK are nt a cult they are "good god fearing men " as they call say that go to church every week.


bob geldof can sit in his masion because he earnt his money fair and square he did nt go around conning people out of it with false treats and promises.

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Originally Posted by Macy

Same would apply if the state was funding 95% muslim schools. They're not in this country, so why would we be saying it?

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Did you miss the point I was making, not sure?
See post #41

The poster claimed that "you ve been brain washed by this cult and now your doing the same to your kids .with out giving them a choice" referring to the Catholic Church. I took offence at the implication that I, as a Catholic, have been a) brainwashed by b) a cult.

If insulting refences to any other religion,creed, race age, sex, orientation etc
were made on this forum some people would be jumping down the throat of the poster in abhorrance....

There are a few Muslim schools in this country btw..

[QUOTE=anto1208]well since yours does nt just teach you but practices the actions of covering up for pedophile's murder's , rapists, kidnappers . makes me very very glad im not in there anymore.


Give that line a break it really p*sses me off how do you figure that one out so your telling me no other religion in the world has a rapist, kidnapper etc in it. And since your making an assumption that it practices the art of cover up and me being Catholic and brainwashed are you trying to say i was involved too and maybe i would be capable of all of the above.

And about the money the church earned it to they work for it there is missonarys all over the poor countries who just happen to be would you beleive it priests

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Originally Posted by Green Army Girl

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Originally Posted by anto1208

well since yours does nt just teach you but practices the actions of covering up for pedophile's murder's , rapists, kidnappers . makes me very very glad im not in there anymore.

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Give that line a break it really p*sses me off how do you figure that one out so your telling me no other religion in the world has a rapist, kidnapper etc in it. And since your making an assumption that it practices the art of cover up and me being Catholic and brainwashed are you trying to say i was involved too and maybe i would be capable of all of the above.

And about the money the church earned it to they work for it there is missonarys all over the poor countries who just happen to be would you beleive it priests

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Please, enlighten us with the news coverage of the massive cover-ups of Muslim/Jewish/Hindu/etc. clerics buggering little boys. Come on, if they're all as bad as one another, it should be easy, right?

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Originally Posted by Tired&Emotional

Did you miss the point I was making, not sure?
does my post

The poster claimed that "you ve been brain washed by this cult and now your doing the same to your kids .with out giving them a choice" referring to the Catholic Church. I took offence at the implication that I, as a Catholic, have been a) brainwashed by b) a cult.

If insulting refences to any other religion,creed, race age, sex, orientation etc
were made on this forum some people would be jumping down the throat of the poster in abhorrance....

There are a few Muslim schools in this country btw..

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and i followed it up by calling all religions cults as not to offened just one religion , i see no difference and im still waitng for you to explain the difference ?

cults belive in god ,
cults meet up to talk about there god and to pray to him
cults hand over there money to there leaders to live extravagant lifestyles

you belive in god
you meet up to talk about god and to pray to god
you hand over money to the church so the pope can live in a massive house in his own country:rolleyes: with a bowling alley , swimming pool and enough money a jewlery to feed the whole world

they seem pretty similar to me , i hope you can explain a few difference's

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Originally Posted by anto1208

explain the difference to me so between a catolic and a member of any other cult , musilim ,morman ,jedi !!! . outside the slight differences in beliefs

cults have a certain belief system , they meet up they repeat chants over and over again and collect money from the masses .

it reminds me of the simpsons episode with the cult homer joins , and rev lovejoy is talking of the dangers of cults , he says they brain wash you with there repetitive chanting and take your money .... then he says we'll say our lords prayer a dosen times while the collection plate is being passed around .

the church asks for money from the poorest people ,yet the vatican is full of gold it has a swimming pool a bowling alley etc etc etc ... do you not even wonder about it at all ???

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If you are reminded of the Simpsons during this debate maybe you should apply for a guest appearance on "The Itchy & Scratchy Show" to be carved up in an amusing way.....:D

You obviously don't get it at all if it's all "repetitive chant..." and .."asking for money from the poorest people..":confused: :confused:

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Originally Posted by John83

Please, enlighten us with the news coverage of the massive cover-ups of Muslim/Jewish/Hindu/etc. clerics buggering little boys. Come on, if they're all as bad as one another, it should be easy, right?

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Did you ever think maybe they are still covering it up;) and i wasnt only confining it to the clergy i was speaking about their followers aswell trying to prove whether you are catholic or muslim or whatever you still have serial killers, rapists in your religion

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Originally Posted by anto1208

and i followed it up by calling all religions cults as not to offened just one religion , i see no difference and im still waitng for you to explain the difference ?

cults belive in god ,
cults meet up to talk about there god and to pray to him
cults hand over there money to there leaders to live extravagant lifestyles

you belive in god
you meet up to talk about god and to pray to god
you hand over money to the church so the pope can live in a massive house in his own country:rolleyes: with a bowling alley , swimming pool and enough money a jewlery to feed the whole world

they seem pretty similar to me , i hope you can explain a few difference's

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Do a google on it or something....I don't have the time (I have to go boozing in about 10) or, at this stage the will, to educate you on religion, religious cults etc. You could try a past Leaving Cert English higher paper - there must have be a compare & contrast essay question on this before....:rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Green Army Girl]

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Originally Posted by anto1208

well since yours does nt just teach you but practices the actions of covering up for pedophile's murder's , rapists, kidnappers . makes me very very glad im not in there anymore.


Give that line a break it really p*sses me off how do you figure that one out so your telling me no other religion in the world has a rapist, kidnapper etc in it. And since your making an assumption that it practices the art of cover up and me being Catholic and brainwashed are you trying to say i was involved too and maybe i would be capable of all of the above.

And about the money the church earned it to they work for it there is missonarys all over the poor countries who just happen to be would you beleive it priests

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assumption that it pratices the art of cover up ... did you really say that .. its not an assumption its a fact ... maybe the fact you still dont believe in this cover up proves my brain washed theory .

as i said before i used to be a catolic but when i heard about this when i learned of the industrial schools the magdeline laundries i said thats it these people are nt good people they arent doing Gods work ,i cant make excusses for them and i had to leave all the so called good priest should do the same .