How much will Derry be fined?

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Originally Posted by GavinZac

speak for yourselves

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Agreed .... While we give out about CCFC stewards (they are no angels i know) but for the most part, they are active and can be seen to be keeping things fairly orderly .... we have had two incidents in the last three years where someone went on the pitch, that is a great record.
The stewards have been a bit rough on occasion but that is better that like the Pats/Shels stewards just standing there doing nothing to stop what they can see right in front of their eyes.
City are always working with them to try and get them to improve aswell.

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Originally Posted by GavinZac

speak for yourselves

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Do Cork have professional stewards? Or you could afford professional stewards?

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Originally Posted by dancinpants

Do Cork have professional stewards? Or you could afford professional stewards?

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Yes we do (JD Security) and every club is supposed to have them according to the licensing regulations. There have been problems with their attitude to fans (away fans and home fans). They have been overly agressive and have searched bags etc. However, they do not watch the game and do not allow pitch incursions.

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Originally Posted by coislaoi

There have been problems with their attitude to fans (away fans and home fans).

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I am not making light of the situation but it has to be said that there has been a bit of over reaction on some of the home fans part. Makes no odds anyway ... there have been several meetings with all involved and all will be sorted. They are still the best in the league, by a long shot !!

Derry should be fined full stop

Shels, Bohs, Pat's and the scum have all been fined for pitch invasions so far this season.

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Originally Posted by Maribor

To answer your points

1) Totally unacceptable, and I think you will struggle to find any Derry fan who condones these actions. Indeed many Derry fans are very angry at what has happened. We could indulge in a load of "whataboutery" but the FAI official was perfectly placed to observe all that went on, from both sides

2) There was no barrier broken at the River End. It was the type of fencing used to secure a site but was not properly installed. I was putting up flags at the River End well over 30 minutes prior to kick off and there was no security there.The fencing was positioned such that any reasonabled sized individual could pass from the TV Gantry to the River End without even touching the barrier. I pointed this out to one of you stewards

3) There was one flag stolen. We have a thread on our message board condemning the behaviour of whoever took it and asking that it be returned to the Harps lads asap. I din't see the urinating so I can't comment. If it happened then it is also totally unacceptable

To say that 100 stewards could not have prevented what happened is a load of balls.

If they had strategically placed stewards all along the TV gantry side and used the orange mesh fencing that is used at Lansdowne and other events there would have been no pitch invasion.

There was a minimal stewarding presence on the side the Derry fans were. Two of the stewards were girls under the age of eighteen. I understand the need for female stewards but where were their male counterparts?

The rest of stewards were on the far side of the pitch standing in groups, doing little or nothing. Or celebrating missed penalties

I fail to understand how alternatives such as the ones outlined above were not suggested at the stewards briefing and if they were, why were they not implemented?

Given that the stewards were on the North Terrace/East Wing at the France game I assume they will be stewarding Lansdowne tomorrow.

They managed to implement effective techniques for the prevention of pitch invasions in this area of Lansdowne last time I would propose that they would do the same tomorrow night. Did they not think of taking what they learned and implementing it on a local level?

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As a Harps fan Maribor, I have very little argument with most of what you say and I hope that Harps will learn from the events which occurred. However the biggest problem I had with Derry fans (apart from the flare throwing of course) at the game the other night was that several fully grown men in their early 20s did not invade the pitch at full time to congratulate their players or jump around and celebrate. Some did it with the sole purpose or running over to the home sections gesturing and waving scarves (as shown in the pics posted on the Derry forum), flags (Derry and Harps stolen one) and generally goading and offering them on (one DID as quoted elsewhere pause to have a **** on the pitch while giving one fingered salutes).

To everyone sayin pitch invasions are a bit of a laugh, this is the reason pitch invasions cannot be allowed, certainly in games where there are significant numbers of opposing fans. Idiots like this use them as a chance to act the hardman and wind up opposing fans, leading directly to a risk of violent reaction from less than sensible fans of the opposition either immediately or after the game where it can often be visited on perfectly innocent individuals.

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Originally Posted by A face

I am not making light of the situation but it has to be said that there has been a bit of over reaction on some of the home fans part. Makes no odds anyway ... there have been several meetings with all involved and all will be sorted. They are still the best in the league, by a long shot !!

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There's been no over reaction A face, I don't know if you were in the St Annes end the night of the Prague game or not but if you were then you'd have a different view I'd say. There's a minority of them acting the cnut and who are getting ideas above their station but hopefully following recent meetings they will be dealt with.

Anyway, are we the ony club in the league to emply professional security? If so, we do we bother if nobody else can be arsed following the licensing regulations?!:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Colm

Anyway, are we the ony club in the league to emply professional security? If so, we do we bother if nobody else can be arsed following the licensing regulations?!:rolleyes:

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That right, it is in the licensing regulations (not a guideline) so all clubs should be doing the same !!

I suppose that is one thing ... our stewards dont have any loyalities, and treat everyone the same, which is the fairest way to handle it.

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Originally Posted by Cop on

Great man he is. Listen, we have absolutely no problem with peace lovin' football fans. Its those who come lookin' for a row, thrashing the place up, stealing from the shops in Town - thats what we have problems with. And if these Burberry boys are in your midst, you should do somethin' about them. But you couldn't be bothered until we decided to try and deal with YOUR problem.
(It was only then that you boys decided to send your own stewards to police your own fans ;) )

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Your chairman lied about "trouble". When was the place "thrashed"? If there was stealing from the shops in town, which it is obviously wrong, how can you prove it was Rovers fans and even if it was what has that got to do with the match?

Burberry boys? Thats boez pal. We have banned a number of individuals. See our official site.


KOH

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Originally Posted by Mr T

As a Harps fan Maribor, I have very little argument with most of what you say and I hope that Harps will learn from the events which occurred. However the biggest problem I had with Derry fans (apart from the flare throwing of course) at the game the other night was that several fully grown men in their early 20s did not invade the pitch at full time to congratulate their players or jump around and celebrate. Some did it with the sole purpose or running over to the home sections gesturing and waving scarves (as shown in the pics posted on the Derry forum), flags (Derry and Harps stolen one) and generally goading and offering them on (one DID as quoted elsewhere pause to have a **** on the pitch while giving one fingered salutes).

To everyone sayin pitch invasions are a bit of a laugh, this is the reason pitch invasions cannot be allowed, certainly in games where there are significant numbers of opposing fans. Idiots like this use them as a chance to act the hardman and wind up opposing fans, leading directly to a risk of violent reaction from less than sensible fans of the opposition either immediately or after the game where it can often be visited on perfectly innocent individuals

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Myself, Maribor and Harpskid were prepared to settle on the notion that mistakes occured but you had to ramble on. I won't let City be badmouthed so I feel the need to continue this nonsense.

The photos of the pitch invasion show kids invading the pitch, I could make out one person who looked older than 20. A few gestures from teenagers, my word whatever next. A kid also ran at City fans but it was laughed off rather than blown up into something it's not.

The pests who caused minor trouble need to be weeded out on our side as do the bottle thrower and child who ran at city fans on yours. Harps also need to sort out their security and as the incompetant John Patton has resigned now seems like a good oppurtunity for that to occur. On both occasion this season harps have shown they do not have the professionalism needed to organise a big match on a premier scale. Hope it's corrected if you stay up.

Speranza,

from the photos its clear that the average age of the pitch invaders is in 16-24 or thereabouts, old enough to know better

As usual derry fans cause trouble and expect it to be put down to wains!!!

This one wont be swept under the carpet and will be dealt with and im sure pictures will be made available to the FAI as proof.

I feel sorry for the 95% of decent derry fans who went to the game only to be let down by an ever increasing element of hoods

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Originally Posted by Cop on

Deny, deny, deny.

The bus driver stopped the busload of Rovers supporters in the cathedral car park. They disembarked & made their way back up Dublin St. and down main st. towards ***** off-licence. There was but one person working there at the time - who happened to be a young female who was terrorised and harrassed by said 'supporters'. The boys proceeded to clean the place out & retraced their steps back to the Rovers supporters bus in the cathedral car park.

Now, you may deny this all you like. You will be probably be looking for evidence of fingerprints etc. Unfortunately, we didn't follow the bus up to Dublin collecting the discarded bottles and cans :rolleyes:

You know well there's nearly always trouble when you come West - why bother denying it ?? After all, why did Rovers agree to provide their own stewards for the last game in the Flansiro (and don't give me any pathetic excuses about our stewards.)

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I assume a young girl was not left alone in the shop without CCTV ? s o its easy to solve this one.

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Originally Posted by Cop on

The bus driver stopped the busload of Rovers supporters in the cathedral car park. They disembarked & made their way back up Dublin St. and down main st. towards ***** off-licence.

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So what?? :confused:

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There was but one person working there at the time - who happened to be a young female who was terrorised and harrassed.

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I assume this "trouble" happened after a game. Is she streetwise?? Anyone with even a basic IQ, knows that there are many such incidents, in towns and cities across the country, EVERY Saturday night, including in Longford from time to time. As far as I am aware, no crime was committed, so what's your problem?? Define what you mean by the girl being "terrorised and harrassed". Describe in detail this "disorder".

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As far as I am aware, it wasn't 'caught' on CCTV for whatever reason

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So are you saying that both inside/outside the premises, and in the Town Centre, they haven't installed modern surveillance cameras in Longford yet? If the girl was indeed as "terrorised and harrassed" as you claim, how come this incident has not been reported in the national media, nor has an investigation by the Gardai taken place, or action been taken against the individuals concerned?

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The boys proceeded to clean the place out

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Again, describe in detail. Provide facts, and proven evidence to back up your claim, not rumours.

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& retraced their steps back to the Rovers supporters bus in the cathedral car park.

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And what's wrong with that?? :confused:

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You know well there's nearly always trouble when you come West - why bother denying it ??

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I can honestly say that I have never seen nor heard of any trouble in Longford town centre, certainly pre-game, but only on biased, distorted accounts from your club who have an agenda against our fans, which appear to be based on half-truths, and/or lies. We have never had any problems with Longford fans, and don't expect any. Therefore you, and your club create an uncomfortable atmosphere before our games there, which is both unfounded and unnecessary, both for the image of the clubs, and the league in general. :mad:

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Originally Posted by Cop on

You know well there's nearly always trouble when you come West - why bother denying it ?? After all, why did Rovers agree to provide their own stewards for the last game in the Flansiro (and don't give me any pathetic excuses about our stewards.)

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I really hate replying to Cop On because it acknowledges his existence but sometimes I just have to.

We've always brought our own stewards to Flancare - as we do to every away game. As far back as pre-Goldcard Security we brought stewards to Flancare.

Now carry on, I'll correct your OTT rubbish as needs be...........

KOH

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Originally Posted by strabane harp

Speranza,

from the photos its clear that the average age of the pitch invaders is in 16-24 or thereabouts, old enough to know better

As usual derry fans cause trouble and expect it to be put down to wains!!!

This one wont be swept under the carpet and will be dealt with and im sure pictures will be made available to the FAI as proof.

I feel sorry for the 95% of decent derry fans who went to the game only to be let down by an ever increasing element of hoods

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Don't agree with your comment about age. We will indeed be dealt with as will harps for their inept, inadequate and pathetic attempt to steward 2000 odd fans. What do you mean by as usual? It is a rare occurance that anyone has a bad report about City fans.

What about the person who threw the bottle at Forde? The bottle throwing was started when a Derry fan returned a bottle that was thrown from the harps fans.

You won't need to supply those elusive snaps as the f.a.i. had a man in attendance.

Don't ever feel the need to feel sorry for us. As a professionally run club we will learn from our mistakes. It's a pity the same can't be said for Harps who in an attempt to house city fans who had no view of the pitch in the first derby were put on new shoddy terracing which still gave them a **** view.

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Originally Posted by BohsFans

Derry should be fined full stop

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Thread title: How much will Derry be fined?
NOT the thread title: Should Derry be fined?

Ok so the new terrace at Finn Park might not be the best but its better than what we had and the beauty of it is we own it. Every inch of it. Remind me again who owns the Brandywell.............

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Originally Posted by Finlay Harp

Ok so the new terrace at Finn Park might not be the best but its better than what we had and the beauty of it is we own it. Every inch of it. Remind me again who owns the Brandywell.............

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Change the record there will ye? Theres a good lad. :rolleyes:

People in glass houses my friend;)

ah sure aul lizzie owns most of the houses up there as well finlay :p