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It happens so often... I know this girl who was deeply into Wham! and George Michael, then to remain heartbroken when George came out of the closet (or in this case, when someone opened the closet door and witnessed... ;) )Quote:
Originally Posted by kerr's tribe
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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
The sociological debate on this, which no one can deny, is if it does their case any good. Gay people want to be treated equally as straight people and thus want us to not think in labels, but then organise a gay-only tournament themselves = thinking in labels themselves.
I don't have a problem with this world cup and even understand a certain need for it, but I also understand somehow that some people may see this a contradiction to their own request for equality.
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It happens so often... I know this girl who was deeply into Wham! and George Michael, then to remain heartbroken when George came out of the closet (or in this case, when someone opened the closet door and witnessed... )
to be fair though, I think it was always obvious that Georgie was gay.
Well I think Rock Hudson came as more of a shock. Some would say Boy George came as more of a shock. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by kerr's tribe
I know this bloke who defended him for years against such rumours and loved his music. Once the tackle was out in front of Mr. Beverly Hills Poleeeceman, there was a burning of Georgios's records that looked like something out of the third reich. :( Must say I warmed to George a lot more after the incident. Conchita's interest became purely a matter of music. :D
Regarding Rock Hudson, as a youngster I always thought he was a kind of John Wayne type bloke. Y'know, macho, soldier roles, always with the ladies etc etc etc.
It was only when, over a few jars one night in a pub, when me and a few pals were talking about films and movie stars, that a lady friend said to me: "Rock Hudson? That fella is as bent as a snake in a jam jar". I believe his movie company spent a fortune giving him a hetero image. Remember his TV series "McMillan and wife" with Susan St. James?
I really felt sympathy for him when the aids story came out. We can slag off movie stars for image building etc but when he was at his peak in big movies it would have been commercial suicide to come out as homosexuality, to say the least, was frowned upon those days. It's far to easy these days to say he should have been honest about his sexual orientation but he was a person of his time.
To think that there are far too many people these days who still regard gay people as perverts makes me wonder if we have made much progress in maturity and understanding. The current pope certainly doesn't help as his attitude towards homosexuality is to the right of Genghis Khan and there are millions of RC's who agree with him sadly.
I kinda like Boy George. His make-up is attractive, different from mine though so don't worry :) But you gotta love such icons, and he has a great voice.
By the way, I think Boy George is bisexual and not gay ?
I was on the bus with a Manchester lad last week, and we were talking about the English music scene. When The Smiths came up... Well, in his native Manchester he knew someone who knows Morrissey in person. I did get a bit curious and asked for the thing that even the tabloits didn't find out yet. And IN CASE his answer is correct, I must say that any straight female Smiths fan should barry her hopes... ;)
The former pope was not better on this one. Which is a reason why I think we should not call him "JP the Great". His views towards gays probably caused lot of troubles he was never aware of...Quote:
Originally Posted by sirhamish
Yep, totally agree, Gerrit. But, Ratzinger was often behind much of the Vatican's statements on homosexuality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerrit
I think his statment, a few years ago, when he threatened the US bishops with excommunication from the church if they disclosed evidence in a public court re the paedophile scene there was absolutely disgraceful. He wanted to keep the scandal under wraps, in house, as it were.
I feel his election as pope will spell disaster for the RC church in the long term as he will organise another right wing pope to follow him.