Just announced on Newstalk - Rovers future at Dalymount

I dont know if people were in the same placew as me on friday because the ammount of BS being spouted is unbelievable.

1. Rovers fans waited for 20 minutes at the end of the game.

2. Bohs fans wern't leaving and a lot of people got hot under the collar because the gards were not doing anything to move them on.

3. About 40 people ran onto the pitch towards the bohs fans and stopped short of the halfway line.

4. These people, Rovers and Bohs fans, then left the ground.

5. The Gardai have admitted to Rovers that their poor tactics and lack of chain of command on the night resulted in a few Bohs fans getting scared and a few ad boards being knocked over.

Most people are sick of this debate already.

Get over it.

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Originally Posted by thomas

Most people are sick of this debate already.

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You better believe it ..... for all my time supporting that national league i'd say at league 60%-70% of all news bites i have heard that concern Rovers has involved trouble from their fans ....... "sick of this debate" ... that is a complete understatment, so much so it is way off the mark !!

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Get over it.

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When Rover get their act together !!

I still believe Rovers should be made compensate all eircom League clubs for the damage they are doing to the league. They are getting away with this trouble issue far too easy ..... i know there are decent fans etc. etc. .... it am not concerned about them .... it is the trouble makers who are causing the problems and the club is enabling them to continue with their lack of action.

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Originally Posted by thomas

I dont know if people were in the same placew as me on friday because the ammount of BS being spouted is unbelievable.

1. Rovers fans waited for 20 minutes at the end of the game.

2. Bohs fans wern't leaving and a lot of people got hot under the collar because the gards were not doing anything to move them on.

3. About 40 people ran onto the pitch towards the bohs fans and stopped short of the halfway line.

4. These people, Rovers and Bohs fans, then left the ground.

5. The Gardai have admitted to Rovers that their poor tactics and lack of chain of command on the night resulted in a few Bohs fans getting scared and a few ad boards being knocked over.

Most people are sick of this debate already.

Get over it.

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1. It was 12-14 minutes before any incursion occured - not 20 minutes

2. We normally enjoy a smoke and a chat outside our bars after every game - you're forgetting - it's OUR stadium

3. You seem to be 100 short there boyo - and it was all Rovers fans - no Bohs contingent was involved in any trouble after the game

4. Wrong - we stayed in the bars minding our own business - the Rovers fans by all intense purposes were forecably removed from the stadium for causing trouble - and rightly so

5. "A few ad boards getting knocked over" - more like purpousfully damaged - along with seating. - YOUR SECURITY ARRANGEMENTS - YOUR PROBLEM

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Originally Posted by superfrank

I don't know why Bohs fans are complaining so much, their fans are hardly exemplary either.

There's the whole Bray incident. Fans storming the pitch, inciting our fans, shouting in player's ears, etc.
And they only got fined 200euros!!!!! :mad:

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But sure, all Bohs fans are sweet innocent angels, aren't they? Of course, Rovers fans only fight with themselves, don't they? Funny then, that many a Friday night Bohs-Rovers game in Dalyer, has seen Phibsborough turned into a battleground before, and after the game. The truth is, Bohs fans are just as responsible, as Rovers fans for trouble caused. Trouble has surrounded this fixture since 1994. As most of them are on Friday nights, Alcohol is often a major factor in sparking off the trouble, allowing both clubs' fans to drink all day before the game, then ruin the night for everyone else later on.

I personally hate them, but the sooner this fixture is permanently moved to a weekend afternoon kick-off, the better for all concerned. History has shown that the games are easier to police, and have always passed off peacefully when played in the afternoon.

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Originally Posted by mypost

But sure, all Bohs fans are sweet innocent angels, aren't they? Of course, Rovers fans only fight with themselves, don't they? Funny then, that many a Friday night Bohs-Rovers game in Dalyer, has seen Phibsborough turned into a battleground before, and after the game. The truth is, Bohs fans are just as responsible, as Rovers fans for trouble caused. Trouble has surrounded this fixture since 1994. As most of them are on Friday nights, Alcohol is often a major factor in sparking off the trouble, allowing both clubs' fans to drink all day before the game, then ruin the night for everyone else later on.

I personally hate them, but the sooner this fixture is permanently moved to a weekend afternoon kick-off, the better for all concerned. History has shown that the games are easier to police, and have always passed off peacefully when played in the afternoon.

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I think you're half-way towards a solution there. The real answer will be the relegation of the shams, something every other club should work towards. Solve the problem on the pitch.

1. It was 12-14 minutes before any incursion occured - not 20 minutes

>Thats not at issue.

2. We normally enjoy a smoke and a chat outside our bars after every game - you're forgetting - it's OUR stadium

>Thats not at issue

3. You seem to be 100 short there boyo - and it was all Rovers fans - no Bohs contingent was involved in any trouble after the game

>140, grand so.

4. Wrong - we stayed in the bars minding our own business - the Rovers fans by all intense purposes were forecably removed from the stadium for causing trouble - and rightly so

>I saw loads of Bohs fans run to the front of the stand looking to join in, except for the gards it could have got nasty with bohs fans doing a charge of their own. Both sets of fans ran towards each other and did nothing.

5. "A few ad boards getting knocked over" - more like purpousfully damaged - along with seating. - YOUR SECURITY ARRANGEMENTS - YOUR PROBLEM

>Our security arrangements were overruled by the Senior Gard on duty, so it became his problem and he has since admitted as much since.

I'll give you an accurate tot on the number of seats damaged whenm I get itif you want. As for the ad boards, I suppose they are un useable now? no, didnt think so.

i love the hypocricy of the boyezzzz fans. 40 bsc attack 3 rovers fans with bricks, hospitalising them, its all ok because it was 'arranged' (how do you know that btw).
100 bsc refuse to leave the jodi because we have to stay in the rain until they do, some hoops get onto the pitch and front them, the bsc **** their pants and leg it, its 'rovers animals'
get real. there were no choirboys in that stand.

the game was badly policed. were armed gardai really necessary? the cops were more aggressive and confrontational than normal on the connaught, while refusing to do jack **** in the jodi. both john noonan, the rovers head of security and dave carpinter from the steering commitee asked to speak to the garda in charge after the game and were told to f*ck off. uneccessary.

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Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

i love the hypocricy of the boyezzzz fans. 40 bsc attack 3 rovers fans with bricks, hospitalising them, its all ok because it was 'arranged' (how do you know that btw).
100 bsc refuse to leave the jodi because we have to stay in the rain until they do, some hoops get onto the pitch and front them, the bsc **** their pants and leg it, its 'rovers animals'
get real. there were no choirboys in that stand.

the game was badly policed. were armed gardai really necessary? the cops were more aggressive and confrontational than normal on the connaught, while refusing to do jack **** in the jodi. both john noonan, the rovers head of security and dave carpinter from the steering commitee asked to speak to the garda in charge after the game and were told to f*ck off. uneccessary.

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Just to clarify a few things

1. there was no 'bsc' in the Jodi on Friday. there was a few of them outside the Long bar having a drink/smoke when the 100 Rovers fans got onto the pitch. This is fact, because I was in the Jodi stand, in the area in front of Block E. You would have been 100 yards away. I think that makes me better qualified to say who was and wasnt in the Jodi.

2. ONE Bohs fan got onto the pitch and stuck his finger up at Rovers fans

3. The incident outside the Mill was a disgusting, despicable act, which is a prime example of everything that is wrong with Bohs-Rovers fixtures. I also know for a fact this was arranged based on what I heard on the Saturday morning, before any word of hospitals etc. Those involved from the Bohs side would have been in Drogheda, and I dont think it was by chance they came across a group of Rovers fans in the Mill.

I dont give a toss about people getting put in hospital for openly participating in football related violence. I couldnt care less about them.


4. Rovers fans got onto the pitch, and yes a good few people ran. You and many other Hoops see that as something to be proud of, but what about the parents who were still there with kids etc. Surely they can only be expected to get out of there?

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Originally Posted by bohs til i die

4. Rovers fans got onto the pitch, and yes a good few people ran. You and many other Hoops see that as something to be proud of, but what about the parents who were still there with kids etc. Surely they can only be expected to get out of there?

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We agree on something! Bad policing meant that Normal people could not leave when they should have been able to leave.

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Originally Posted by thomas

We agree on something! Bad policing meant that Normal people could not leave when they should have been able to leave.

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Im talking about Bohs fans, with their children making a hasty exit, not anything to do with what went on over on Connaught street.

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Originally Posted by A face

I still believe Rovers should be made compensate all eircom League clubs for the damage they are doing to the league.

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:D yeah im sure monaghan kildare and cobh are all crying out for compensation from Rovers alright

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Originally Posted by mypost

1: The truth is, Bohs fans are just as responsible,

2: Alcohol is often a major factor in sparking off the trouble, allowing both clubs' fans to drink all day before the game, then ruin the night for everyone else later on.

3: I personally hate them, but the sooner this fixture is permanently moved to a weekend afternoon kick-off, the better for all concerned. History has shown that the games are easier to police, and have always passed off peacefully when played in the afternoon.

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1: true
2: not true.most people finish work at 5.30-6ish and have no more than an hour to drink before the game.youd want to be some lightweight to get tanked up in an hour
3: weekend afternoon ko, ie 3.15pm? a good 3 hours drinking time before kick off.thats more than twice the drinking time of friday nights,assuming your argument about alcohol is right.

this is a fixture with a small crowd.the gards should be able to police the ground and the surrounding area with common sense.they fail time and time again to do this through sheer stupidity

i think this thread has run its course.its getting boring at this stage

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Originally Posted by anto eile

i think this thread has run its course.its getting boring at this stage

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It's boring all right. But it'll have run its course when someone, anyone from SRFC or purporting to represent them or to be an active supporter comes on here and accepts responsibility for what happened and condemns it or at least disowns it.
That hasn't happened yet. Instead, in addition to selective memory and sheer fiction, we have a litany of issues being raised concerning policing, stewarding, the relative bravery of your goon squad over ordinary Bohs fans, Bohs finances, Bohs' issues with a few our our own idiots who were not engaged in the event under discussion, and of course Bohs' fans sanctimony and hypocrisy.
Now that you have ticked all of these well-worn boxes, does anyone in all hoopdom have the guts actually to say that what Rovers fans did last Friday was wrong?

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Originally Posted by BohDiddley

It's boring all right. But it'll have run its course when someone, anyone from SRFC or purporting to represent them or to be an active supporter comes on here and accepts responsibility for what happened and condemns it or at least disowns it.
That hasn't happened yet. Instead, in addition to selective memory and sheer fiction, we have a litany of issues being raised concerning policing, stewarding, the relative bravery of your goon squad over ordinary Bohs fans, Bohs finances, Bohs' issues with a few our our own idiots who were not engaged in the event under discussion, and of course Bohs' fans sanctimony and hypocrisy.
Now that you have ticked all of these well-worn boxes, does anyone in all hoopdom have the guts actually to say that what Rovers fans did last Friday was wrong?

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In all fairness I'm still waiting for someone from the Bohs board to condemn those casual gobsh*tes who associate themselves with your club, and actually do something to remove them from Dalymount park, but I can't see that happening somehow.

further to what slash ed said, the gypos should get their own house in order before having the nerve to criticise any other club

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Originally Posted by Slash/ED

In all fairness I'm still waiting for someone from the Bohs board to condemn those casual gobsh*tes who associate themselves with your club, and actually do something to remove them from Dalymount park, but I can't see that happening somehow.

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And what about Shels. Your owner is thug.

Bohs have an issue regarding troublemakers, the majority of Bohs fans acknowledge this, and dont make excuses for anything that they get involved in. This crap about the Mill pub is boring as well. It was organised, I heard about it at 9am the next day from a Rovers fan who said it was organised.

Ollie Byrne was pictured last year attempting to get at the ref during a 2-0 defeat to Drogheda in Tolka, yet we have a Shels fan requesting the Bohs board condemn a group of individuals for what they do outside Dalymount Park. One person went across to the Shels fans after the game two weeks ago and that is down to Bohs. However after throwing a few shapes he went back to the Jodi. Its not as if anything was going to happen because there was 1 person on the pitch [along with a few dozen kids] taunting 704 Shels fans. It shouldnt have happened but the potential for trouble was far less compared to last Friday's mass pitch invasion.

Bohs-Rovers is now nothing more then a chore becuase of the trouble, but effective policing can turn that around. On top of that, actual policing [arrests, charges etc] could make a huge difference but while the paperwork remains too much hassle for the Gardai, nothing will change because the perpetrators know there is high chance they wont be charged..

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Originally Posted by anto eile

further to what slash ed said, the gypos should get their own house in order before having the nerve to criticise any other club

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Anto, nobody is denying that Bohs have a similar problem, but Bohs fans generally dont make excuses for our troublemakers actions, whereas Rovers fans DO.

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Originally Posted by bohs til i die

Bohs-Rovers is now nothing more then a chore becuase of the trouble, but effective policing can turn that around. On top of that, actual policing [arrests, charges etc] could make a huge difference but while the paperwork remains too much hassle for the Gardai, nothing will change because the perpetrators know there is high chance they wont be charged..

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I can't believe we have to wade through pages of sanctimonious crap when ultimately both sides agree that effective policing is the solution :rolleyes:

Bohs don't ban trouble makers - FACT
Rovers don't ban trouble makers - FACT
There would be no trouble at games if the Gardai weren't incompetent - FACT

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Originally Posted by bohs til i die

And what about Shels. Your owner is thug.



Bohs-Rovers is now nothing more then a chore becuase of the trouble, but effective policing can turn that around. On top of that, actual policing [arrests, charges etc] could make a huge difference but while the paperwork remains too much hassle for the Gardai, nothing will change because the perpetrators know there is high chance they wont be charged..

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true about ollie byrne

and there do be plenty of arrests and charges after each Hoops v gypos game. unfortunately half those charged tend to be innocent bystanders who gards see as soft targets to aid headlines.ie "10 arrests after Dublin Derby riot" what it doesnt say is nearly all of them were not actually involved in the trouble

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Originally Posted by Macy

I can't believe we have to wade through pages of sanctimonious crap when ultimately both sides agree that effective policing is the solution :rolleyes:

Bohs don't ban trouble makers - FACT
Rovers don't ban trouble makers - FACT
There would be no trouble at games if the Gardai weren't incompetent - FACT

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CORRECT,

but Bohs fans dont say the Gardai made them beat them up, or invade the ptich, or throw a load of bricks at the buses, whereas Rovers fans do make these sort of excuses.