Very very good poitn Andy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andyh
Guess over internationally it's a day when people recognise Irishness-i put culture as I took it as read that it is a primarily Christian ceromony; good point raised! :)
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Very very good poitn Andy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andyh
Guess over internationally it's a day when people recognise Irishness-i put culture as I took it as read that it is a primarily Christian ceromony; good point raised! :)
Strictly from a Christian point of view, St Patrick wouldn't get much of a fan base amongst dissenters. Only the RC and the CofI believe in saints. The point about Irish-Americanism is valid. In fact there are some Irish Americans that see this event as denigrating their community with what is considered a day of unadulterated boozing. Once again, The Simpsons got it right, when it parodied the Springfield St Patrick's Day Parade. Sidestepping slightly, in Christian (or rather Catholic) terms, St Patrick's Day is not solely an Irish event. The day is listed on Spanish calenders (a saint for nearly every day) and he is honoured in Murcia as there was a battle against the Moors won on that day and so the victory was granted by St Patrick's blessed intervention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andyh
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Originally Posted by Eire06
Look up the meaning of hypocrisy :o
No more so than the GAA and surely they can march. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by patsh
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Originally Posted by Éanna
They must have right thick *******s so. This invitation was a disaster from the beginning and thankfully the OO have decommited from their trip down south. If I never talk to a person from the North again or have to go there again I'll die a happy man. Scum filled,sectarian cess pool of hate, they can leave all up there for all I care, whatever side they are on.
There is an ocean of difference between the two organisations, and it's that kind of lazy comparison which do no good at all and just make the situation worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by razor
If you think for even one minute that the two organisations are similar, then you know nothing about either of them.
I can't stand the GAA, but that is well wide of the mark IMO. The OO is absolutely and utterly sectarian in its intentions- i.e. only Protestants can join. Thats not the case with the GAA.Quote:
Originally Posted by razor
We love you too.......... :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Soko
Soko, how can u be so general about people from Northern Ireland? The only way you can come to a valid conclusion IMO is to spend some time there, actually live there, get to know the people. Yes , there are some bitter nasty people, but u get that everywhere. I don't know where you have encountered these type of people or when, but for me i only encountered sectarianism and anti-irish/catholic sentiments when i came to scotland a few years ago. in nearly 20 years in northern ireland i experienced no personal sectarianism. as for the shankhill group who came to help build the famine boat and were shocked not to find the country filled with priests and nuns, they were probably having a laugh. i knew one girl from dublin who did not know who the OO were! but i don't assume everyone from Ireland is so misinformed. WHy don't u try to come here with an open mind? i hate discussions about northern ireland, young people from there are fed up with it(sure andyh will agree), but i couldn't sit back and let soko spout his nastiness about my people. hello davros, good to see u are back alive and well, if not unhappy..... :rolleyes:
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ok that didn't work... :D :D :D :D
You can see the OO's main site here. Some interesting and fair points made on it IMO, although I think they have a slightly 'slanted' view on some things (but Im sure I do too).
Check out the Mr Orange in the shop :D
Aye! Agree with you there....a certain hotoculture expert spring to mind :DQuote:
Originally Posted by davros
Also met a really nice bloke from Derry in the ice house up Camden......turns out he was from Kerry just had a bit to much to drink :D :eek:
Eanna - I think there are sectarian elements and individuals within the OO -but it's hardly reasonable to call them a sectarian organisation because only Protestants can join. It's a protestant, religious organisation -it strikes me as perfectly reasonable that they only allow fellow protestants join -in much the same way that I understand why the (at LEAST as sinister) Opus Dei is for Roman Catholics only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Éanna
Where OO sectarianism IS explicit is in it's forbidding it's members to marry RCs ...though the RC church through 'ne temere' puts implicit stumbling blocks in the way. Granted the RC church won't boot you out but it's making sure it doesn't lose out on your offspring.
Similarily the GAA enshrines implicit sectarianism through it's demand that members uphold what are by any reasonable evaluation Irish Nationalist values that Unionists (20% of the Irish population) could not sign up to.
I thought it was the GAA you were on about til I got to the last bit :eek: :D :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by davros
being honest, I'm deeply suspicious of organised religion as a whole, but particularly the more sinister groups like the OO, Opus Dei etc.,Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
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Originally Posted by Éanna
Don't forget the Stonecutters...
Welcome to the sacred order of the Stonecutters who since ancient times have split the rocks of ignorance which obscure the light of knowledge and truth. Now let's all get drunk and play ping pong!
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Who-holds-back-the-elec-tric-car?Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
Who makes Steve Guttenburg -a star?
WE DO WE-EE DO!!!!
doesn't quite have the same ring to it as the sash (eh, ruairi ;) ) , but a good tune nonethless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie