No Club got a licence

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Originally Posted by pete

The closest example i can come up with is probably something like planning permission - i think if you apply & some small anomaly then the planning office would contact you in advance to make the necessary changes?

If you've even applied for something that needed to fill in a form you be contacted if forget something or similar.

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Having recently had a Building Control application rejected on just such a technicality, I can assure you the opposite is in fact the case. It's not their job to hold my hand.

Likewise, it's not the role of the FAI to chase-up and request AGAIN what they should've been provided with in the first place. There's 22 clubs, for fecks sake ! Think seriously about how long it would take to call round each club asking them to do what they should've done in the first place, given the time of calls, amount of toing and froing, waiting for clubs to eventually send the stuff in, going back to the thicky ones who STILL haven't got it right etc etc.

How will our clubs ever learn if such shoddyness, half-arsed reading of the rules etc is ignored or tolerated and their mammy in the FAI holds their hand through it all....?

It's time for the Eircom League to grow up....

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Originally Posted by patsh

[size=1]From Legal Criteria section 8.3
Item LG 1.04
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The Licence Applicant must provide the Licensor with a copy of its legally valid statutes.
The following documents must be submitted:
Alternative 1: If the Licence Applicant is an incorporated company:

• a copy of the current Memorandum and Articles of the Company;
• an original or Companies' Office duplicate of the Certificate of Incorporation. or

Alternative 2: If the Licence Applicant is a cooperative society:

• a copy of the Model Rules of the Society;
• an original or ICOS (Irish Cooperative Organisation Society) duplicate of the Certificate of Incorporation. or

Alternative 3: If the Licence Applicant is an unincorporated entity:

• a copy of the current rules or constitution of the entity;
• a copy of Deeds of Trust if relevant.

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Just as an example, it could be quite easy to interpret that a photocopy of a document would suffice for some of the documents arequired above. (I'm not claiming that this was the problem for Cork City)
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Read your own post again Patsh.

They're not saying any 'aul duplicate of the forms is acceptable - rather that it must be an OFFICIAL duplicate from the ISSUING BODY. If you lose a certificate of Incorporation for a Limited Company, no-one is gonna accept a photocopy that you did along with your word as proof that it's kosher.

Companies House will do you a replacement for a fee, though it may well be labelled as a replacement certificate.

what each club failed on, some are on here saying we failed on this or the other but is there anywhere that shows what each club failed on?

No because it's supposed to be a confidential process, if clubs choose to release the info that's up to them

maguire just said on newstalk106 that they failed on infrastructure suprise suprise :D both him and derry chairman are on newstalk106 at the moment

"derry chairman are on newstalk106 at the moment"
Well, wat did he say?!

two points on this:
1. I don't trust, respect or believe anything the FAI does. I have no confidence in them doing this properly or fairly, and its no surprise that its not been done properly considering theur track record in..............well everything really.
2. The clubs have to take reponsibility for their own actions. they know the FAI are useless, so they should have got things right and not given the FAI anything to complain about.

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Originally Posted by Éanna

two points on this:
1. I don't trust, respect or believe anything the FAI does. I have no confidence in them doing this properly or fairly, and its no surprise that its not been done properly considering theur track record in..............well everything really.
2. The clubs have to take reponsibility for their own actions. they know the FAI are useless, so they should have got things right and not given the FAI anything to complain about.

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Eanna

To be honest that is the easy way out of this situation. The Licence Committee is made up of a load of independent individuals who are appointed by the FAI. They decided the clubs weren't up to it. Its not been done properly? What about last year? I don't recall the same weeping and gnashing of teeth over the same situation this time last year when most of the clubs didn't have their house in order.

The clubs certainly have to take responsibility, they voted for the manual this year and last

I do agree. I was just making the point that while the FAI may be (i.e. ARE) a shower of useless *****s, the clubs HAVE to take responsibility. The league is a joke, its run by the clubs. The way some clubs are run is pathetic- however much of this is the FAI flexing its muscles (and i think that is the case) the clubs still have to bear the ultimate responsibility. For too long the more progressive clubs have complained of the FAI and the other clubs holding them back, yet whenthey had a chance to go to the top of the class, they blew it- its egg on face time all around really

This is all bizzare!

Who is going down to Dalyer on Wed for the game to put pressure on Bertie to give us the ****in grant money we are owed :mad:

according to the new chairman for GUFC Niall O' Rielly if a premier club fails to get a premier licence they can be relegated to the first division, IF, a first division club gets a premier licence (which is what GUFC will get on appeal). The promotion to the premier division will be offered to the highest finishing club from last season e.g. dublin city will be first as the were relegated, then Kildare for finishing fourth, then Galway and so on....

With all the clubs failing there is definitely going to be a few of them failing the appeal also!!! INTERESTING TIMES AHEAD :)

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Read your own post again Patsh.

They're not saying any 'aul duplicate of the forms is acceptable - rather that it must be an OFFICIAL duplicate from the ISSUING BODY. If you lose a certificate of Incorporation for a Limited Company, no-one is gonna accept a photocopy that you did along with your word as proof that it's kosher.

Companies House will do you a replacement for a fee, though it may well be labelled as a replacement certificate.

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Read my post again. All I said was that it would be easy enough to beileve that a photocopy will do. I know what the actual thing says, all I'm saying is that it's not too hard to get the impression a copy will do. There are reams of this stuff there, and people can make small mistakes.
The Licencing committee also claimed they were there to help the clubs. A phone call a week or two ago would have sorted out this kind of "administrative error" and could have avoided the extremely damaging PR disaster we had yesterday.

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Originally Posted by Terry

according to the new chairman for GUFC Niall O' Rielly if a premier club fails to get a premier licence they can be relegated to the first division, IF, a first division club gets a premier licence (which is what GUFC will get on appeal).

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Was the manual not changed so that only Premier Division clubs could attain Premier Division licences, First Division clubs get First Division clubs and the euro entrants Euro Licences?

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Originally Posted by Mr_T

I'm talking about Sports Council funding for capital projects. Clubs who have propsals to improve facilities apply for these via the FAI, as we will be doing for our stadium relocation.

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Given our experiences, I wouldn't count on it. Broken promises, getting paid less than agreed, no sign of last years grant etc etc... :rolleyes:

A quote from Bob Breen, the FAI licensing manager:
"We have got situations where clubs have actually complied with the financial criteria and done the real difficult things and then they have failed to supply a document either in its original format or a document that hasn't been signed off which is a purely administrative thing and they are items that can be put right overnight"

Well Mr. Breen, if it could have been put right overnight, why not allow the clubs in question to "put it right" last week, and thus avoid the huge PR disaster for the eL?
W@nker....:mad:

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Originally Posted by Maribor

Was the manual not changed so that only Premier Division clubs could attain Premier Division licences, First Division clubs get First Division clubs and the euro entrants Euro Licences?

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Im not sure what is stated on the manual, this is what I picked up from the AGM last night when asked about the possibility of getting promoted if aquiring a premier licence

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Originally Posted by patsh

A quote from Bob Breen, the FAI licensing manager:
"We have got situations where clubs have actually complied with the financial criteria and done the real difficult things and then they have failed to supply a document either in its original format or a document that hasn't been signed off which is a purely administrative thing and they are items that can be put right overnight"

Well Mr. Breen, if it could have been put right overnight, why not allow the clubs in question to "put it right" last week, and thus avoid the huge PR disaster for the eL?
W@nker....:mad:

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I agree with you here Patsh. It rediculous the way the full 22 clubs have all failed like this. And it is pathetic of the FAI to allow them to be effectively ridiculed in the media over merely the supply of "purely administrative" material which, according to them, are correctable overnight. The unfair side of all this is that the clubs look incompetent while the FAI put forward an image of being stringent on official rules, etc. Bull$hit

I don't think the FAI should hold the hands of eL clubs but IMO announcing the results the way they have was a PR disaster. The FAI could easily have written to clubs pre-results to get them to fix some minor documents.

Its ridiculous having grants frozen. Do the IRFU or GAA clubs have even a fraction of the regulations that the eL clubs now need cos of licencing??? Discrimination again :(

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Originally Posted by Magoo

I agree with you here Patsh. It rediculous the way the full 22 clubs have all failed like this. And it is pathetic of the FAI to allow them to be effectively ridiculed in the media over merely the supply of "purely administrative" material which, according to them, are correctable overnight. The unfair side of all this is that the clubs look incompetent while the FAI put forward an image of being stringent on official rules, etc. Bull$hit

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And the media doesn't need much encouragement to ridicule Irish football.

On Morning Ireland just now, Aine Lawlor, who is usually above this sort of nonsense, was having a good ol' sneer, telling Des Cahill, 'Sure they don't even have dressing rooms, do they?'.

There's enough moronic anti-LoI bias around without this sort of PR shambles. Once again raises the question of what the FAI does for LoI, and whether the league would be better off out of that system.

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Originally Posted by pete

Its ridiculous having grants frozen. Do the IRFU or GAA clubs have even a fraction of the regulations that the eL clubs now need cos of licencing??? Discrimination again :(

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Again, what grants? Even for clubs that have held licences?