Predictions for remaining Group D games

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

It was actually in Paul's direction really, in response to "we don't win these big games it's as simple as that", which you kind of backed up.!

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I didn't in my sweet árse back anything Roscommon man wrote
....... kind of! :)

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I know the Armenia game sounds like a bit of a stretch but it's surely relevant when we're discussing the possibility of beating the 4th seeds in our group

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I directly gave my opinion on the relevance.

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Pistols at dawn sounds awesome! The Optimists v The Pessimists, we just need to find a realist to referree!

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If I was really a pessimist, don't you think I would have played the "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist" card by now?
And we duellists have 'seconds', not referees.

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Originally Posted by geysir

I directly gave my opinion on the relevance.

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But I don't really get the relevance of your opinion :p

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

But I don't really get the relevance of your opinion :p

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That's okay then,
but now that you are starting to learn to differentiate between an opinion and a fact, is a good sign.

I'm going to regret this... but when was I unable to differentiate between an opinion and a fact?

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

I'm going to regret this... but when was I unable to differentiate between an opinion and a fact?

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When you replied to my opinion piece.

Doesn't matter... we beat a direct rival in the group in a vital match. If loose stats/records are going to be thrown about, they should at least be accurate.

Oh right... but your opinion piece didn't change the fact that the Armenia game was a crucial one against a direct group rival. Whether one considers the Moscow game more important or not doesn't really matter in the context of the point I was making. Fair enough if you were only throwing it in as an aside, I presumed you were questioning the credibility of the Armenia game counting as a vital game that we won. Or am I totally missing the point?

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

Oh right... but your opinion piece didn't change the fact that the Armenia game was a crucial one against a direct group rival. Whether one considers the Moscow game more important or not doesn't really matter in the context of the point I was making. Fair enough if you were only throwing it in as an aside, I presumed you were questioning the credibility of the Armenia game counting as a vital game that we won. Or am I totally missing the point?

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Yes, sadly you are missing the point. I was only expressing an opinion. I was not in any way, shape or form, presenting stats or records, never mind inaccurate facts or stats.
I never alluded to that the game was not important, I was confident that we would beat them. Just because I was confident didn't mean it was a mickey mouse game against a mickey mouse team.
As of yet, you still haven't demonstrated the capacity to tell the difference between the opinion and a fact. And I had such high hopes there for a brief moment in time, possibly I was just overwhelmed by my abundant positivity about the human kind and their capacity to learn :)

Jeeps Geysir, what's eating you these days? You're even picking quarrels with the sensible guys.

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Originally Posted by geysir

Yes, sadly you are missing the point. I was only expressing an opinion. I was not in any way, shape or form, presenting stats or records, never mind inaccurate facts or stats.

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I never said you did... In fact, I explained that was a response POS and those who have said that we haven't beaten a direct group rival in however long. Fair enough if your point about the Moscow game was completely unrelated to the point I was making. Don't know how I missed that. Okey-doke, we'll leave it there so...

It's all my fault lads. agree to differ.

its always my fault I didn't think people needed to argue or even disagree over that.

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Jeeps Geysir, what's eating you these days? You're even picking quarrels with the sensible guys.

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cold winter and no riding makes geysir a grumpy polar bear.

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Jeeps Geysir, what's eating you these days? You're even picking quarrels with the sensible guys.

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Where do get that this was a quarrel?
I was just making a good natured nit-pick about a point of ethics which was so blatantly obvious, it actually shouldn't need any further explanation.
DeL kept asking me for more and more, what can I do?

It was complicated when DeL seamlessly mixed in a retort to Paul, inside a post which was mainly aimed at me.
It simply looks that he was replying to my post, which preceded his.
Would you like to be confused with Paul?
I'd imagine some people would be totally outraged to have a retort aimed at Paul to be included in what looks to be a reply to themselves :)
But I restrained myself and sought a rational approach.

How would you like to be accused of being shoddy and loose with stats/records? Would you willingly and with boundless generosity take those barbed arrows that were aimed for Paul?
At least Del should have removed the 'offending' sentence or edited in quotations to clarify who he was replying to.
That's the most basic of discussion board ethics.

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Originally Posted by geysir

Where do get that this was a quarrel?
I was just making a good natured nit-pick about a point of ethics which was so blatantly obvious, it actually shouldn't need any further explanation.
DeL kept asking me for more and more, what can I do?

It was complicated when DeL seamlessly mixed in a retort to Paul, inside a post which was mainly aimed at me.
It simply looks that he was replying to my post, which preceded his.
Would you like to be confused with Paul?
I'd imagine some people would be totally outraged to have a retort aimed at Paul to be included in what looks to be a reply to themselves :)
But I restrained myself and sought a rational approach.

How would you like to be accused of being shoddy and loose with stats/records? Would you willingly and with boundless generosity take those barbed arrows that were aimed for Paul?
At least Del should have removed the 'offending' sentence or edited in quotations to clarify who he was replying to.
That's the most basic of discussion board ethics.

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sliperrier than an eel. your reply to someone else was still a dig at me. You'd give Alistair Campbell a run for his money I hope you work for a politician or party. You never deal in fact but time and again manage to squirm out of everything without actually answering anything. :)

All the ethics went out the window when you streaked naked onto the field that time.

Geysir - if I felt the need to apologise or edit any of my posts I would have done so. In a futile attempt (because of your ridiculousness) to abide by forum ethics, I went down the route of trying to get to the bottom of the confusion and deal with it at the source. I was responding to you when I said "it doesn't matter, etc", because it seemed pretty clear that you were questioning (offering an opinion on!) the importance of that Armenia game. You talked of how the Russian game was the more important game in that group to which I responded by saying "it doesn't matter bla bla bla", because, well, it didn't matter, in the context of the point I was making. The reason I said it didn't matter, was because "loose stats/records" had been thrown around (not by you) in relation to our inability to beat direct group rivals. I never confused you with Paul, but it was Paul I was engaging with in the first place, when you added your welcome, but irrelevant, tuppence worth. I think that's the reason you took some of my comments as being directed at you (kind of personally for some bizarre reason) when really they were just to emphasise the point I was making in the first place. Please now Geysir my old pal, no more slippiness, I'm starting to feel a bit like Danny Invincible with the lengths I'm going to to clear my name. Danny's a good guy, don't get me wrong, but there's only room for one Danny on foot.ie, I think everybody would agree with that.

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

Geysir - if I felt the need to apologise or edit any of my posts I would have done so. In a futile attempt (because of your ridiculousness) to abide by forum ethics, I went down the route of trying to get to the bottom of the confusion and deal with it at the source. I was responding to you when I said "it doesn't matter, etc", because it seemed pretty clear that you were questioning (offering an opinion!) on the importance of that Armenia game. You talked of how the Russian game was the more important game in that group to which I responded by saying "it doesn't matter bla bla bla", because, well, it didn't matter, in the context of the point I was making. The reason I said it didn't matter, was because "loose stats/records" had been thrown around (not by you) in relation to our inability to beat direct group rivals. I never confused you with Paul, but it was Paul I was engaging with in the first place, when you added your welcome, but irrelevant, tuppence worth. I think that's the reason you took some of my comments as being directed at you (kind of personally for some bizarre reason) when really they were just to emphasise the point I was making in the first place. Please now Geysir my old pal, no more slippiness, I'm starting to feel a bit like Danny Invincible with the lengths I'm going to to clear my name. Danny's a good guy, don't get me wrong, but there's only room for one Danny on foot.ie, I think everybody would agree with that.

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You have thoroughly over-rationalised yourself into a knot Delorean. And i'm one who can follow Danny's lectures, because they have a structure and a rationality:)

The use of quotations in a post that is directed at 2 different posters, is to distinguish between which one you are directing your comment to and it is also basic discussion ethics. The reason is obvious, to avoid confusion and misunderstanding who you're actually replying to and more especially when the comment is negative. But if you feel that such clarification (to actually edit the post) was ridiculous, then it's most probably because that comment in question also applied to my opinion. On that, I definitely misunderstood.
Fair enough though if you want to dogmatically put absolute value on the fact that Armenia were a direct rival at that time and place in history, that you were focussed on some other train of thought in the thread and thought my opinion was irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

I'm starting to feel a bit like Danny Invincible with the lengths I'm going to to clear my name. Danny's a good guy, don't get me wrong, but there's only room for one Danny on foot.ie, I think everybody would agree with that.

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Jesus, I argue with myself enough as it is!

You looked handsome at mass today Danny. Happy Easter.

Is there a general group D discussion thread? I could only find this and the Opponent Watch thread.

Anyway, what do we want in early Sept? Two wins for Germany I presume.

Yeah two Germany wins should help the table look that bit healthier and lead us into a deluded sense of optimism once more. Bring it on! The Georgia Scotland game is pretty crucial if we're really going to be thrown a lifeline but, regardless of that result, Germany winning can only be a good thing really. Hopefully there'll be the added bonus of them arriving in Dublin with little to play for also.