UEFA Co-Efficiency League

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29/07/2004, 11:16 AM
eirebhoy

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Originally Posted by DolansWaistcoat

Yes they do,if you lose the 3rd qualifier for the Champs league which shels will be in if they progress against split then you get a uefa cup 1st round spot.

I stand corrected, and happily. :)
29/07/2004, 11:26 AM
pete

Potential Shels (seeded) opponents in 3rd qualifying round.

Real Madrid Esp 146.351
Manchester United Eng 119.510
Deportivo La Coru�a Esp 104.351
Liverpool Eng 90.510
Juventus Ita 84.531
Internazionale Ita 82.531
PSV Eindhoven Ned 65.246
Bayer Leverkusen Ger 62.331
Sparta Praha ** Cze 54.915
Anderlecht Bel 49.529
AS Monaco Fra 51.947
Club Brugge ** Bel 43.529
Glasgow Rangers Sco 42.601
Rosenborg BK ** Nor 42.227
PAOK Thessaloniki Gre 41.467
Dinamo Kiev Ukr 41.301

IMO best chance of getting to group stages would be to play & beat the top ranked 2nd round teams (Sparta Prague, Club Brugge or Rosenborg). 3rd round draw is made based on assumption of seeded teams winning round 2 so when you beat them you automatically get 'seeded' in round 3.

Big TV money for draw against top half of that list though.
29/07/2004, 12:54 PM
gspain

Of course the sweetest thing of all if Shels were to make the Group Stages - (I know I'm dreaming now) would be that RTE would not be allowed to show "insert your favourite British team" live and would have to televise Shelbourne's games. Of course as a public service broadcaster they could keep showing Police Academy Six instead.
29/07/2004, 1:18 PM
paudie

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Originally Posted by Slash/ED

I find that amazing. Four of the past five seasons in the champions league we've progressed to the next round, we've had some good UEFA cup results int hat time too and some superb inter toto runs. As far as I know the NI teams have not progressed to the second round nearly as much as ourselves. Am I wrong in saying that? but unless I'm missing something obvious I can barely remember the last time a NI team progressed in the champions league.

Over the most recent 4 seasons, including this one, our points total is 1.665.
For the IL it's 1.484.
I would have thought we'd have a lot better record than them alright. I don't think an IL teams has won a round in nearly ten years.

The season before that our points total for one season was 1.666! That was the year Bohs beat Aberdeen and Kaiserlautern.

The problem is EL teams aren't winning enough games. They're drawing a lot of them even when they are going through, like Shels this year against KR.

As said elsewhere intertoto games don't count for points.
29/07/2004, 1:42 PM
Dazzy

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Originally Posted by paudie

Over the most recent 4 seasons, including this one, our points total is 1.665.
For the IL it's 1.484.
I would have thought we'd have a lot better record than them alright. I don't think an IL teams has won a round in nearly ten years.

Well Glentoran are coming close to it. :confused:
29/07/2004, 2:43 PM
gspain

no conspiracy theories here - going through a round doesn't help the coefficient if you then lose both games in the next round. i.e. if Shels lose at home to Hadjuk then Shels and KR will contribute the same to our respective country's coefficients. The really big contributions are home and away wins.

system is pretty fair although no bonus points for getting through.

After next year we will lose 2000/01 season which is a massive loss with Shels v Sloga and Bohs wins v Aberdeen and Kaiserslautern. Bohs will laso lose a club coefficient which very few teams have at our stage as it is only earned by results from September on.
29/07/2004, 9:47 PM
eoinh

after tonights results we slip to 40th place. see here. Longford have managed to give Liectenstein more points tonight than all their results in the last 5 years combined. :mad:
30/07/2004, 7:59 AM
eL Bettor

Greetings Gentlemen (and ladies)
Can someone tell me the no. of points for home wins/draws and away wins/draws for this co-efficient league and do they go up as you get through the rounds?
30/07/2004, 8:38 AM
eoinh

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Originally Posted by eL Bettor

Greetings Gentlemen (and ladies)
Can someone tell me the no. of points for home wins/draws and away wins/draws for this co-efficient league and do they go up as you get through the rounds?

The basis for the UEFA rankings is the performance of teams in the European Cups during a five year period. During that period each team gets two points for a win and one point for a draw. From 1999 on these points are halved for qualification matches: one point for a win and half a point for a draw. One bonus point is allocated for reaching the quarter final, the semi final and the final. Reaching the first round of the Champions League yields one bonus point. The so-called UEFA coefficients are calculated by taking an average, based on the total number of points divided by the total number of teams of each country.
30/07/2004, 8:41 AM
fosterdollar

total number of teams in europe, total number of teams who gained the points or total number of league teams?
30/07/2004, 8:47 AM
eoinh

Total number of teams in europe. all results gained by us are divided by three.
30/07/2004, 10:42 PM
eL Bettor

thanks eoin for explaining :)
04/08/2004, 8:51 PM
eoinh

Co-efficiency league updated. We stay at 40th place. See here
04/08/2004, 8:56 PM
brendy_�ire

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Originally Posted by eoinh

Co-efficiency league updated. We stay at 40th place. See here

It was only updated at 20:13:17 UTC (it's a Dutch website, so I'm assuming it's on Dutch time), so it won't have taken into account the result tonight yet.
04/08/2004, 8:59 PM
eoinh

no, we had this argument before, it is updated. Its on UTC time.
04/08/2004, 9:27 PM
eirebhoy

We now have 0.833 points which is the best we've had since 00/01. With 4 more matches left Shels should at least bring it up to 1. Not looking so bad anymore.:)
04/08/2004, 9:33 PM
sullanefc

Quote:

Originally Posted by eirebhoy

We now have 0.833 points which is the best we've had since 00/01. With 4 more matches left Shels should at least bring it up to 1. Not looking so bad anymore.:)

I think 1 point is a bit optomistic considering you only get 0.333 per win. Meaning they would have to get 3 wins from their guaranteed 4 remaining Euro games. If they do this, they'll definitely qualify for either the group stages of the CL of group stages of the UEFA cup :eek:
04/08/2004, 9:46 PM
eoinh

well, the round shels go into in the uefa cup you get higher points for draws and wins so its posssible they could surpass bohs points total. By doing that too they would make sure they are seeded for future european adventures!
04/08/2004, 10:02 PM
ger121

Quote:

Originally Posted by sullanefc

I think 1 point is a bit optomistic considering you only get 0.333 per win. Meaning they would have to get 3 wins from their guaranteed 4 remaining Euro games. If they do this, they'll definitely qualify for either the group stages of the CL of group stages of the UEFA cup :eek:

we are at 2.5 now if they get a draw against depor they'll get another 0.5 which will make 3 divide that by the number of entrants 3 and that = 1. Also a draw in the 1st round proper of the Uefa Cup is worth 1 and 2 for a win.
04/08/2004, 10:05 PM
eirebhoy

Quote:

Originally Posted by sullanefc

I think 1 point is a bit optomistic considering you only get 0.333 per win. Meaning they would have to get 3 wins from their guaranteed 4 remaining Euro games. If they do this, they'll definitely qualify for either the group stages of the CL of group stages of the UEFA cup :eek:

I meant a total of 1 point for 03/04 which would mean 1 draw in any of the 4 matches. I forgot its double points in the UEFA cup proper so I'd be expecting more now. :)

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