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30/09/2011, 4:25 PM
Irwin3

Is this the first time a player has switched from Ireland to England? Can't get my head round this. What has caused this?

- Falling out with the old fella.
- Making the bench for Man Utd has skyrocketed his own or others perception of his potential.
- Will talked him into it.

Good luck to him but hopefully he can't/won't come crying back.
30/09/2011, 4:38 PM
Kingdom

In fairness to Keane, he's the fella who's (twin?) brother plays for England at the same level, and he was born over there, so it's fairly unique. Plus aren't the England teams at 15's and 16's picked through the schools? Might be one of the reasons why he played for us for a bit.
30/09/2011, 5:39 PM
BonnieShels

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Originally Posted by Irwin3

Anyone definitively know FIFA's rules on changing nationalities? I thought you could only change once and if you hadn't played a senior competitive match. However, these two confuse me:

Zahavi has played for three teams at underage level and may change back to USA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Zahavi

Motta played competitively for Brazil but was allowed to change to Italy aged 28
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiago_Motta

Anything goes?

He didn't play competitively for Brazil. Brazil were invitees to that competition so were in my view playing friendlies. FIFA don't give you any chances when you play competitively in senior. Once and done.

Actually, he played for the under-23 side at that competition so it wasn't an A international team he played with so he remained eligible for Italia.
30/09/2011, 6:32 PM
Irwin3

It was an A international and it counts as such in the record books. It's the CONCACAF Gold Cup, the equivalent of the European Championships. Just because Brazil were invitees and selected an U'23 squad for the competition doesn't change that fact. He had to appeal to FIFA and they must have had your point of view and gave him special dispensation because the Brazil squad was U'23s.
30/09/2011, 6:49 PM
Charlie Darwin

There's something confusing on his wiki there that seems to say it was a full international but it also wasn't.
30/09/2011, 7:06 PM
Irwin3

It was 100% a full A international. It's just that Brazil sent their U'23/Olympic squad as the senior squad had the Confederations Cup a month before.

Mexico sent their senior squad to the Gold Cup this year and they sent their U'23 squad to the Copa America. The Copa America games were obviously A internationals as well even though Mexico were invited and sent their U'23s.
30/09/2011, 8:40 PM
Paddy Garcia

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Originally Posted by Irwin3

Is this the first time a player has switched from Ireland to England?

Andy Lonergan
30/09/2011, 9:04 PM
Irwin3

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Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia

Andy Lonergan

Maybe Michael should ask Andy if it was worth switching?
30/09/2011, 9:55 PM
Predator

It's unfortunate to hear when a player doesn't want to play for Ireland, but I won't lose sleep over it. It is their choice, after all and it must be respected.
What I find worrying, however, is that Doolin has McGinty on standby - has he fallen out with him?
30/09/2011, 10:50 PM
liamoo11

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Originally Posted by Predator

It's unfortunate to hear when a player doesn't want to play for Ireland, but I won't lose sleep over it. It is their choice, after all and it must be respected.
What I find worrying, however, is that Doolin has McGinty on stanby - has he fallen out with him?

I couldnt imagine Doolin falling out with a young footballer!!!
30/09/2011, 10:57 PM
theworm2345

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Originally Posted by liamoo11

I couldnt imagine Doolin falling out with a young footballer!!!

Damn, if only we had Givens on the job.
30/09/2011, 11:19 PM
Predator

Our lamentation can be soothed with the thought that Derry-man Shane Duffy, Dublin-man Mark O'Brien, Galway-man Greg Cunningham and Cork-man John Egan among others are also our prospective defenders. Perhaps Keane thinks he has a better chance at breaking through the English ranks? You wouldn't blame him.
01/10/2011, 1:35 AM
BonnieShels

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Originally Posted by Irwin3

Mexico sent their senior squad to the Gold Cup this year and they sent their U'23 squad to the Copa America. The Copa America games were obviously A internationals as well even though Mexico were invited and sent their U'23s.

The Gold Cup is their 'home' Confederation championship. They sent a 'B' team to the Copa, so again it would say to me that the Copa in this case wasn't full international for the protagonists.
01/10/2011, 1:43 AM
Irwin3

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Originally Posted by BonnieShels

The Gold Cup is their 'home' Confederation championship. They sent a 'B' team to the Copa, so again it would say to me that the Copa in this case wasn't full international for the protagonists.

But to FIFA it is.

All the matches in a competition have to have the same status. It's up to the national teams what players they select.
01/10/2011, 2:05 AM
BonnieShels

Then outside if what I have said explain FIFA's decision re Motta?
01/10/2011, 8:24 AM
Irwin3

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Originally Posted by BonnieShels

Then outside if what I have said explain FIFA's decision re Motta?

Like I said earlier, 'anything goes' with the right appeal and the right lawyers.
03/10/2011, 2:38 PM
Lionel Ritchie

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Originally Posted by Predator

It's unfortunate to hear when a player doesn't want to play for Ireland, but I won't lose sleep over it. It is their choice, after all and it must be respected.
What I find worrying, however, is that Doolin has McGinty on standby - has he fallen out with him?

Your sig got me thinking Predator -perhaps we could get the FAI to enlist someone the young players would look up to, like Lawro, and give him an official title of Elite Player Mentor (EPN for short) entrusting him with the task of steadying the resolve of players who might be coming under undue pressure from within their families and communities...
03/10/2011, 2:53 PM
Sullivinho

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Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie

Your sig got me thinking Predator -perhaps we could get the FAI to enlist someone the young players would look up to, like Lawro, and give him an official title of Elite Player Mentor (EPN for short) entrusting him with the task of steadying the resolve of players who might be coming under undue pressure from within their families and communities...

Roy Keane: Elite Player Mentalist.
03/10/2011, 10:14 PM
gastric

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Originally Posted by Sullivinho

Roy Keane: Elite Player Mentalist.

Roy sits there with a kid's parents giving them a steely stare. As he drinks his coffee, he massages his baseball bat. His only comment - 'go ahead punks make my day'.

Yep Sullivniho, he is definitely the man for the job.
06/10/2011, 12:32 PM
Top Drawer

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It's unfortunate to hear when a player doesn't want to play for Ireland, but I won't lose sleep over it. It is their choice, after all and it must be respected.
What I find worrying, however, is that Doolin has McGinty on standby - has he fallen out with him?

Can I mention a few / Mc Ginty, Brady, Duffy, O Brien these are a few that he has fallen out with in 12 months as well as "allegedly" making little of Keane on the last away trip.

Why would anybody want to play for him.

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