Keanes Partner for wc Qualifiers

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Originally Posted by eirebhoy

I agree.

If Kavanagh or Delap were 22 and Miller was 29/30 with the same ability as they have now, I am absolutely 100% sure that the votes would completely in favour of Kav/Delap. Kavanagh and Delap are currently much better players than Miller, the world cup is in 2 years so its not as if they're going to be old men when it starts. Can people forget about potential ability and think about our best midfielder currently.

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This is the biggest pile of ****e I have ever seen in my life.

What the hell are you trying to do, prove the Swiss manager right?

Kavanagh and Delap are grafters, nothing more, we don't need grafters in our team, we have enough of them. The kind of player you want beside Keano is a player who is gifted with the ball at his feet. Kavanagh or Delap wouldn't open up a defence to save their lives!

Miller and Ried should be the only players anyone is considering. Anyone who thinks any other player should get the nod hasn't got a clue.

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Originally Posted by carnstien

This is the biggest pile of ****e I have ever seen in my life.

What the hell are you trying to do, prove the Swiss manager right?

Kavanagh and Delap are grafters, nothing more, we don't need grafters in our team, we have enough of them. The kind of player you want beside Keano is a player who is gifted with the ball at his feet. Kavanagh or Delap wouldn't open up a defence to save their lives!

Miller and Ried should be the only players anyone is considering. Anyone who thinks any other player should get the nod hasn't got a clue.

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If you posted that to try and make my blood boil you have succeeded. Please don't post if you haven't seen Kavanagh or Delap play more than a couple of times. I'm not even going to go as far as to defend the two lads as anyone who critisises an Irish player that hasn't even had the chance to play badly for Ireland doesn't deserve a proper reply.

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Originally Posted by carnstien

....we don't need grafters in our team, we have enough of them.....

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with your suggested midfield of Miller Reid Keane Duff, we wouldn't have a grafter. don't bother coming back with an argument that Keane is a grafter, because in he's at his best at MUFC when Nicky Butt or Phil Neville (and Darren Fletcher recently) do the harrying and grafting for him.

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Originally Posted by carnstien

....Anyone who thinks any other player should get the nod hasn't got a clue....

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:rolleyes:
I'll pass on your concerns to Brian Kerr the next time he chooses Kilbane, Holland or Delap in the centre.

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Originally Posted by eirebhoy

If you posted that to try and make my blood boil you have succeeded. Please don't post if you haven't seen Kavanagh or Delap play more than a couple of times. I'm not even going to go as far as to defend the two lads as anyone who critisises an Irish player that hasn't even had the chance to play badly for Ireland doesn't deserve a proper reply.

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I have seen both Delap and Kavanagh play on numerous occasions and my opinion on both of them is that they are unable to do, to an acceptable level, the most important job of a central midfielder, which is to pass the ball well, maintaining posession, while making inroads into the opposition's defence.

Keane does it as well as anyone else in the world and with Miller or Ried beside him we could cut through teams with slick passing rather than hoofing long balls like the Swiss manager accused us of.

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Originally Posted by tiktok

with your suggested midfield of Miller Reid Keane Duff, we wouldn't have a grafter. don't bother coming back with an argument that Keane is a grafter, because in he's at his best at MUFC when Nicky Butt or Phil Neville (and Darren Fletcher recently) do the harrying and grafting for him.

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Is that why Keane and Scholes were one of the best central mid field partnerships in the premiership ever?

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Originally Posted by Slash/ED

Is that why Keane and Scholes were one of the best central mid field partnerships in the premiership ever?

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yeah, were one of.....no arguments there

we're asking about a partner for Keane for the next two years, not one that's going to build a time-travel machine and go back four years and play with a 29 year old Keane :rolleyes: , for all his strengths, running around midfield hassling players for ninety minutes isn't in him anymore.

We'll have the ability to break down defences in Miller/Reid on the right and in Duff/Reid on the left, Keane still passes a ball and controls tempo well, but when France break from an Irish corner and Pires and Viera are racing towards Given's goal, who do you want grafting back, I'll have Kilbane in there.

Yes but Miller has a great engine anyway, he's another box to box man. Keane sits on front of the back four and Miller does the running box to box. We don't need another 'grafter' beside Keane, anyway Miller covers as much ground as Kilbane does.

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Originally Posted by carnstien

...pass the ball well, maintaining posession, while making inroads into the opposition's defence.

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You've just describe Kavanagh to a tee.

...and down the line I think that's where Miller will play Slash/Ed, but until he has at least one season where he's a regular at club level, I don't think anyone can claim he's anything other than promising.

by the end of the qualifiers he could well be there, but I'd sooner have Kilbane, of course, it's just my opinion, which is moot, because Kerr will play Holland anyway.

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Originally Posted by eirebhoy

You've just describe Kavanagh to a tee.

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Yes, in the first division, he has to prove he can do it in the premiership or in the friendly chances he gets for Ireland to get into the side for a qualifyer.

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Originally Posted by Slash/ED

....he has to prove he can do it in the premiership or in the friendly chances he gets for Ireland to get into the side for a qualifyer.

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...but Miller doesn't?

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Originally Posted by tiktok

...but Miller doesn't?

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Millers done it in the champions league and has gotten man of the match in his last game for Ireland, so no, he doesn'tt, at least not to the extent Kavanagh does and he'd easily be ahead of him in the pecking order.

Slash/Ed, stop being so biased. He had 1 good game in the CL and a couple of goals. Do you want me to go searching for the thread where a load of people are saying Kav deserved MOM against Brazil? Miller has had one or two good games for Ireland and the others he has been pretty anonymous.

Why would I be biased? I support neither Celtic, Man U or Cardiff, the only thing I'm biased towards is wanting the best team ont he pitch and there's no way Kavanagh is a better player than Miller.

He had more than one good game in the champions league, he scored three times for a start, twice in the group stages, was amazing against Anderlect and changed most of the games when he came on. He was also getting rave reviews at U21 level and was fantastic when I saw him and was MOTM against one of the teams now taking Euro 2004 by storm.

And there's no way Kavanagh was MOTM against Brazil.

You say he got man of the match in his last match, his last match was against Nigeria and he was crap. Don't you mean Romania? If so, I don't think they're taking Euro 2004 by storm. :confused:

Miller's goal in the CL qualifiers was against opposition of the same calibre as Dundee.

Sorry, I got the Romania and Czech match mixed up and forgot he played aganist Nigeria :D

Either way, he was man of the match in a recent Irish match against Euro 2004 calibre opposition.

"Miller's goal in the CL qualifiers was against opposition of the same calibre as Dundee."

And I suppose Kavanagh plays a higher calibre of opposition every week?

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Originally Posted by Slash/ED

And I suppose Kavanagh plays a higher calibre of opposition every week?

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He probably does and scores against them too.

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Originally Posted by eirebhoy

Miller's goal in the CL qualifiers was against opposition of the same calibre as Dundee.

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I'm no fan of Miller, but I'd say that Anderlecht are a slightly better outfit than the 'Dee. Wouldn't you?

:) PP

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Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy

I'm no fan of Miller, but I'd say that Anderlecht are a slightly better outfit than the 'Dee. Wouldn't you?

:) PP

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Slash/Ed said he scored 3 goals in the CL, he included the goal in the qualifier against a club I can't even remember the name. :)

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Originally Posted by eirebhoy

Slash/Ed said he scored 3 goals in the CL, he included the goal in the qualifier against a club I can't even remember the name. :)

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Aaah, that'd be MTK Hungaria. About as good as the 'Dee then. :o

;) PP