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Miller is far from the finished product not saying kilbane is just that he is my ideal choice to come in for the pressure games against switz and france. Miller needs to settle at manu get a place there and then we can talk about putting him in instead of kilbane. We miss someone bursting from the centre to help clinton and robbie which we sorely lacked last night and keane cant give as much anymore. This is what kilbane can offer. Just when i thought he was starting to win the fans over ! How wrong can I be ?? What more can the fella do. And to say he bottled it against spain ? Another one of the stupid comments we get on this site

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Originally Posted by Slash/ED

I've no doubt at all Miller will show what he's capable of, like he did yesturday.

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maybe that's the real difference between our positions Slash/Ed. I couldn't believe he was awarded MOTM last night. I thought he was OK, but I'm yet to witness what's behind all the hype about him. I think the point about runs from midfield in the game last night is well made, no one last night really got forward.

If I was to pick between Miller's performance -v- Romania and Kilbane's performance -v- Czech Republic, it's the latter's name that would be going on my team sheet.

I hope he does develop into a world class player, and I can see there's potential there, I'm just not sure he'll be at the required level in time for cyprus, I don't think he'll have that many extra games under his belt by the time it rolls around.

Then again if he continues to improve, and gets a run in the United side next season, I'll no doubt be agreeing with your assessment

I think Reid was excellent on the ball last night. However if we were playing a decent team away from home I'd have reservations about his defending. Although Maybury will never be a regular I felt he was left exposed last night. Apart from the fact that he is inexperienced, he was also playing on his weaker side. Every time he received the ball Reid seemed to be too far infield and he was forced to play a long hopeful ball. I thought Reid was blowing through his ass from an early stage. His fitness may be suspect. But definitely one for the future.

I think Kilbane on his current form might be the man for the difficult away qualifiers

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Originally Posted by only1kilbane

Miller is far from the finished product not saying kilbane is just that he is my ideal choice to come in for the pressure games against switz and france. Miller needs to settle at manu get a place there and then we can talk about putting him in instead of kilbane. We miss someone bursting from the centre to help clinton and robbie which we sorely lacked last night and keane cant give as much anymore. This is what kilbane can offer. Just when i thought he was starting to win the fans over ! How wrong can I be ?? What more can the fella do. And to say he bottled it against spain ? Another one of the stupid comments we get on this site

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Miller goes forward and does it more effectively than Kilbane. He was played on the right which is why we didn't see it as much. He showed that with his goals for Celtic and his passing is far superior to Kilbanes. The man we need beside Keane to offer what we need going forward is Miller. Somehow I doubt that even if we had the four greatest mid fielders in the history of football all fit and available for us you could possibley accept that Kilbane shouldn't start though.

Reids fitness is definitely suspect, he's very overweight and it's a worry. He'll need to sort that out.

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Originally Posted by Slash/ED

Miller goes forward and does it more effectively than Kilbane. He was played on the right which is why we didn't see it as much. He showed that with his goals for Celtic and his passing is far superior to Kilbanes. The man we need beside Keane to offer what we need going forward is Miller. Somehow I doubt that even if we had the four greatest mid fielders in the history of football all fit and available for us you could possibley accept that Kilbane shouldn't start though.

Reids fitness is definitely suspect, he's very overweight and it's a worry. He'll need to sort that out.

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Miller's CL goals for Celtic all came when he was playing on the right believe it or not. I think Miller is a better player on the right of midfield because he has the space to run and he is a superb crosser.

I don't think Reid is overweight, more muscle than anything. Until he can't hack 90mins we shouldn't be worried.

If we had a centre midfielder capable or parnering keane better than kilbane i would have no problem putting them in. Would always have chosen duffer on the left than kilbane but now that we have seen him in the centre he seems to be the presence we need. Miller needs to get a it of meat on those legs and a season with manu should toughen him up so maybe next summer he will be looking to claim the centre mid spot.

I think if Reid moves up to the premier his fitness would improve. Dont think he that unfit just maybe a move to the premier would help him.

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Originally Posted by only1kilbane

If we had a centre midfielder capable or parnering keane better than kilbane i would have no problem putting them in.

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I very much dobut that, but how and however...

Kilbane does alot of the donkey work and running, which is exactly what we don't need with Keane, that's his job. We need someone in the mid field who can get forward and be creative. While Kilbane gets forward, his end ball lacks the quality of Miller and he creates very very few chances. Millers quality in passing was evident all last night, none more so than in the goal. It's that creative passing that we need beside Keane, who's the physical dominated presence that we lacked in mid field all through the ECQ matches.

I find it completely bizzare that anyone could think that Kilbane is a better option than Ried or Miller. It is a given that they are inexperienced but based on what we saw last night and before, it is obvious that they are on a differnet plane altoghether to Kilbane, espescially when it comes to passing and actually producing something in an attacking sence.

It's nice to see so many options in midfield.

I wish we had the same problem up front!!!

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Originally Posted by carnstien

It is a given that they are inexperienced but based on what we saw last night and before.........espescially when it comes to passing and actually producing something in an attacking sence.

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Reid I'll grant you has vision, but the argument is really on Kilbane v Miller. I've seen the latter produce nothing in an attacking sense for Ireland. Granted he's only had a few goes for his country; he controls the ball well, but most of what he passed last night was backwards and he never tried to go past a player.
No comparison to Kilbane's running from midfield recently, where he's used pace and strength to get forward.
From the little I've seen of him Miller in a Celtic shirt, he looks an excellent crosser of the ball from the right, and I'd be quite happy to have a look at him there over the next three games and hope he progresses.

Down the line Miller will probably turn into an excellent player, but the question isn't who'll be better for Ireland in Germany, it's who'll be better for Ireland in Central midfield in five months.

Was at the game last night and was really impressed with Matt Holland ... good all round performance and a cracker of a goal too. Maybe it was the presence of Cork Keane that made him get his ass in gear but fair play he did really well.
Also great to see us play some lovely football - some great flowing moves albeit in a 'friegley'

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Originally Posted by tiktok

Reid I'll grant you has vision, but the argument is really on Kilbane v Miller. I've seen the latter produce nothing in an attacking sense for Ireland. Granted he's only had a few goes for his country; he controls the ball well, but most of what he passed last night was backwards and he never tried to go past a player.

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Look at our goal for christ sake!

For all Kilbanes running forward, he hasn't put an end product on it. I can't think of a chance created from it, that's where the quality of Miller shows, in the final third. Kilbane couldn't do what Miller did for our goal.

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Originally Posted by Slash/ED

Look at our goal for christ sake!

For all Kilbanes running forward, he hasn't put an end product on it. I can't think of a chance created from it, that's where the quality of Miller shows, in the final third. Kilbane couldn't do what Miller did for our goal.

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You mean pass the ball to an unmarked Morrison on the wing?

My mum could do that.

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Originally Posted by tricky_colour

You mean pass the ball to an unmarked Morrison on the wing?

My mum could do that.

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He had to control it, get past someone and then pick out the pass, and that was just one example, he does that kind of thing all the time. He's capable of delivering a good pass into the final third which is what we need beside Keane.