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Originally Posted by Tallanted

Deny children to play in whatever manner they want??? You've missed the whole point again, I will leave it there I will talk to the wall outside instead. It's all opinions but you seem to have taken an arrogant view and are under the assumption that cause you said it it's right and whatever else is posted by other posters is just for you to have a go at because you are LTFC(quite a childish post) Its narrow minded people like you that are holding back our young players, to understand somthing you need to see it in action, from your posts I would imagine you are no older than 17 or 18?
You have argued everything with I think this and that but no facts, also when you asked for facts to prove it you ignored the response and went back to the well I stil think this and that, which is fair enough it's your opinion but you need to respect others too.

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No I haven't. I admitted that children should be encouraged to play skillfully and technically. I admitted that children shouldn't be pressurized into winning at all costs.
I haven't taken an arrogant view, and I am under no assumptions, Tallanted. I asked how all of this worked because I had never heard about the system before. I didn't know Spain, Portugal and Germany among others had stopped competitive football at younger age levels. And the lovely people on here informed me of such.

I didn't have a go at anyone's posts. People had a go at mine; I don't care that they did, they can do what they please.
My whole point is, because you seem to be missing it is: I don't think it is fair that you don't want to allow children to play football competitively. And I said that already! I didn't ignore the response, can you please read my posts! Let me repeat: I admitted that children should be encouraged to play skillfully and technically. I admitted that children shouldn't be pressurized into winning at all costs. I still think that children should be allowed play competitively if they want, regardless of other countries.
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Originally Posted by L.T.F.C.

And I'm L.T.F.C. and I can argue whatever the **** I want.

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was in direct response to:

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Originally Posted by Tallanted

who are we to argue it.

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which was a silly comment.

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Originally Posted by outspoken

I remember seeing on sky sports news not too long ago that the English are now trying to turn away from competive underage football. They have implemented a mercy rule in some league by which if a team goes ahead by 6 or 7 goals they stop the game award the points to the winning team and just like kids do at school they would give the weaker team some of their better players and play out the rest of the game for fun.

the FA has done great work in recent years to tackle the massive problem of abusive parents. At underage matches they now put up a tape around the pitch which keeps the spectators back and they make the parents sign contracts to say they will not shout abuse at the children or the referee I think this is a truly great system and its something the FAI should look at cause theres nothing worse than seeing a 7 year old cry because his parent is roaring at him like hes on 80 grand a week.

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i seen all the premier league clubs have U8 teams now and they bring all the kids together now and then to play big indoor blitz' and it has nothing to do with winning, just getting the kids to enjoy playing

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Originally Posted by L.T.F.C.

I admitted that children should be encouraged to play skillfully and technically. I admitted that children shouldn't be pressurized into winning at all costs. I still think that children should be allowed play competitively if they want, regardless of other countries.

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Once there's competitive leagues, you're automatically putting pressure on to win with the consequence on the skill and technical aspects of development. It only takes one club, or even one coach at one club, to go all out to win and you're on a slippery slope.

It's a bit of an irrelevant argument really - the FAI haven't the balls to take on their schoolboy affliates, not that they've shown any desire too in the first place.

I never agreed with or disagreed with the system I just stated that thats what they do in other countries. The idea behind not playing competitve football doesn't mean they don't play matches. If a kid has never played competively from an early age how do they know that they do or don't want to do it if they never knew about it? Thats the idea behind it is to not introduce them to competitveness til they are trained. Ie not lettin a plumber plumb your house til he is qualified. Your right though who are we to deny children to play competitve football? Im a nobody so I cant do it and I presume you haven't got the power to do it either and i doubt cabs has either so no point gettin all hyped up about it. You admitted you had limited knowledge about the subject but still went off on a mad one. Hmmm another thread that just turns into a null and void, the main reason why so many fans stay away from here. Anyway back to the subject in hand we dont have a schoolboy structure at the club so we are relying on other clubs deceloping the players we bring in. We have a 16s and 18s team and thats it asfar as i know.

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Originally Posted by L.T.F.C.

You want to pay them 13 grand a year? Do your sums will ya.

I think it is wholly unfair that you don't want to allow children to play competitively. Who would want to train for so long, and have to wait 5 or 6 years to attempt to win something? I'd rather be in the girl guides.
Explain to me how this "5 Year Plan" works. Also, can you tell me what successful countries don't allow their children play competitive football, because I don't know them.

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if you knew anything about this scheme you would know that the fai pay half their wage, the county council the other half, so thats 26000euro a year, do your maths will you!

successful countries that dont have their children play competitive football until an older age. Germany, Spain, Portugal, France, Netherlands, Brazil, Argentina, to name but a tiny few!!

you really have no idea.

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Originally Posted by L.T.F.C.

You totally missed my point. Totally. Children shouldn't be pressurized into winning but my point is that you're denying children the right to play competitive football. This isn't a totalitarian state.
You clearly have no knowledge of how hard it is to make it in football. You may rather that he can play football, but I'd say he would rather have something to show for it.

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id say the player would rather have the necessary skills required to play in the modern era than an under 8 medal.

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Originally Posted by Tallanted

I never agreed with or disagreed with the system I just stated that thats what they do in other countries. The idea behind not playing competitve football doesn't mean they don't play matches. If a kid has never played competively from an early age how do they know that they do or don't want to do it if they never knew about it? Thats the idea behind it is to not introduce them to competitveness til they are trained. Ie not lettin a plumber plumb your house til he is qualified. Your right though who are we to deny children to play competitve football? Im a nobody so I cant do it and I presume you haven't got the power to do it either and i doubt cabs has either so no point gettin all hyped up about it. You admitted you had limited knowledge about the subject but still went off on a mad one. Hmmm another thread that just turns into a null and void, the main reason why so many fans stay away from here. Anyway back to the subject in hand we dont have a schoolboy structure at the club so we are relying on other clubs deceloping the players we bring in. We have a 16s and 18s team and thats it asfar as i know.

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Course they would want to play competitively. There is only so much training one can do and not try the real thing. For me, I'm glad that I have a medal/cup for every year from U-7s up to U-16. It shows that I worked and trained hard, and as part of a team we played together to win all of those things. It gave me experience to take losing as well as winning. If I could see no 'prize' after working hard all year, I wouldn't have wanted to play. The chance of winning the league or cup or whatever, gave me the desire and motivation to improve my fitness and skill level.

Back to the OP's topic, it is a lack of training and lack of structured training that is the problem, competitiveness doesn't really feature to a large extent.

I understand what you are saying and it has its merits. I am a nobody too, and I can't change it, and I wouln't change it, but nevertheless it is a change that will have to come from the top. And I didn't go off on a mad one at all.

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Originally Posted by howsyourtouch

if you knew anything about this scheme you would know that the fai pay half their wage, the county council the other half, so thats 26000euro a year, do your maths will you!

successful countries that dont have their children play competitive football until an older age. Germany, Spain, Portugal, France, Netherlands, Brazil, Argentina, to name but a tiny few!!

you really have no idea.

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Logic suggests that countries with a population ranging from double to over 40 times the population of Ireland will produce larger numbers of successful sporting talent.
You also have forgotten that GAA is the sport played by most in this country. Football has to compete with these other sports at every level. In most of the other countries, football is the main sport. Yes, the lack of competitive football at a early age is a factor, but don't put your eggs in one basket.
Also, were they not on 33k a year no?

I have medals from when I'm younger too and no longer play and those medals mean nothing, I would have rather been a better player and play at a higher level but was introduced to the we need to win this game so I'll give you a run maybe next week from the manager, the rule has been changed now that up to 11-a-side you have to use all your named subs so managers just leave weak players off the card and say nothin, no player development there? The gaa only effects certain pockets of the too. Not gonna go into that because the area I live in is massive and couldn't compare to the rest of the country.

We still talk about the U-8 semi-final when it went to penalties and our keeper just decided to throw the ball into the net (not literally of course), he still gets slagged!
Also our U-12 semi-final when we won against the odds, got a peno in the last min to put it into extra time. I scored and we got through to the final (where we lost 5-2 and a certain keeper, that may well feature for LTFC next season, got motm)
I remember these events because they meant soooo much at the time, what a thrill! I dunno if that should be taken away from the younger people, we're still talking about them these days!
But most of us are sh!t now, lol

just came across this interview with Sligo Rovers keeper Ciaran Kelly he runs his own academy in Mayo and he said that the problem with footballers in this country is their thrown into this competitive competition and skills arnt learnt heres the interview he talks about it around 4 minutes in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtcSUvMHZaE