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19/09/2009, 6:50 PM
topia

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Originally Posted by A N Mouse

So the breaking of this 'agreement' has Pat Fenlon, mainly, worried about 'the Health and Safety of the players'?

This is because:

a) an agreement was broken by the bad, bad, fai. Which raises serious concerns about the players' mental wellbeing
b) they have to do a bit of travelling
c) they have to play three games in the space of a week
d) the results of those games will have a big impact on the outcome of the season

Ayone want to throw up an aul poll?

Do you really like quiz shows or something? why are ye turning everything into one

The FAI wanted to play the final in Waterford... because Bohs accommodated this the Fai agreed to accommodate Bohs by agreeing that they wouldnt have to travel Dublin-Waterford-Dublin-Derry within a couple of days. now i dont care how far Derry have to travel to matches or whatever else you fancy getting outraged about, the fact is that while you think there is some conspiracy theory and Bohs are being 'helped out' by the FAI the oposite is actually the case as Bohs are losing out here because they agreed to the final in waterford. Bohs could have let the coin be tossed and had they won the would have only had to travel to Derry.

That is the point that has been made its not a competition to see who travels the most or any sort of conspiracy theory.
19/09/2009, 7:11 PM
shantykelly

question - was it within the remit of the FAI to give assurances to Bohs without first speaking to Derry?
19/09/2009, 7:11 PM
A N Mouse

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Originally Posted by topia

Do you really like quiz shows or something? why are ye turning everything into one

The FAI wanted to play the final in Waterford... because Bohs accommodated this the Fai agreed to accommodate Bohs by agreeing that they wouldnt have to travel Dublin-Waterford-Dublin-Derry within a couple of days. now i dont care how far Derry have to travel to matches or whatever else you fancy getting outraged about, the fact is that while you think there is some conspiracy theory and Bohs are being 'helped out' by the FAI the oposite is actually the case as Bohs are losing out here because they agreed to the final in waterford. Bohs could have let the coin be tossed and had they won the would have only had to travel to Derry.

That is the point that has been made its not a competition to see who travels the most or any sort of conspiracy theory.

What evidence is there of an agreement, other than Pat Fenlon's comments?

Since when were the FAI able to make such agreements, magnanimously, for others?

Bohs are not losing out in all this - they simply thought they could have their cake and eat it. Again the FAI could only be asked to move the Derry game (as I believe Derry have in the past wrt the LC final), in return the FAI could only try to accommodate them.

Are you all really that sold on Pat Fenlon's Handheld Transportable Garden Excavation Implements Emporium, that not one of you find his comments on the H&S of his players bizzare? Will any of you, other SkStu care to admit the issue at the heart of the matter:

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Originally Posted by hoops1

Haha This is just Nutsy using something to motivate his players. He probably feels as I do that the league will decided by that game in Derry and is trying the us against the world trick
19/09/2009, 7:16 PM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by A N Mouse

Bohs are not losing out in all this - they simply thought they could have their cake and eat it.

If they forewent the draw and the chance of playing at home, then they clearly are losing out.
19/09/2009, 7:23 PM
A N Mouse

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

If they forewent the draw and the chance of playing at home, then they clearly are losing out.

More conjecture, on my part, but believe they are of the opinion that their fans won't turn out in force for the 'mickey mouse cup'. Taking their chances on a bigger crowd in Waterford.
19/09/2009, 7:27 PM
pineapple stu

Irrelevant. If Bohs forewent the possibility of a home draw, they lost out. It's not as if Waterford have massive crowds this season either.
19/09/2009, 7:38 PM
A N Mouse

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Irrelevant. If Bohs forewent the possibility of a home draw, they lost out. It's not as if Waterford have massive crowds this season either.

pertains to motive your honour
19/09/2009, 7:48 PM
sligoman

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Originally Posted by A N Mouse

they simply thought they could have their cake and eat it.

Can't blame them for that...what use is having a cake and not being able to eat it?
19/09/2009, 7:49 PM
pineapple stu

[OT] The original phrase is "Eat your cake and have it", which actually makes sense. "Have your cake and eat it" is, apparently, just easier to say.[/OT]
19/09/2009, 8:15 PM
centre mid

Let them eat cake, for there is no bread.
19/09/2009, 9:04 PM
topia

Quote:

Originally Posted by A N Mouse

What evidence is there of an agreement, other than Pat Fenlon's comments?

Since when were the FAI able to make such agreements, magnanimously, for others?

Bohs are not losing out in all this - they simply thought they could have their cake and eat it. Again the FAI could only be asked to move the Derry game (as I believe Derry have in the past wrt the LC final), in return the FAI could only try to accommodate them.

Are you all really that sold on Pat Fenlon's Handheld Transportable Garden Excavation Implements Emporium, that not one of you find his comments on the H&S of his players bizzare? Will any of you, other SkStu care to admit the issue at the heart of the matter:

Oh ok well if Pat Fenlon didnt invent the whole thing to give you something to create another conspiracy theory out of then Bohs have lost out on not playing at home because they made an agreement to play it in Waterford. Of course the fact that its Derry would have influenced Bohs decision to allow the final to be played in Waterford as they thought that the agreement with the FAI would mean not having to travel to opposite ends of the country (insert pun here) within the space of a few days meaning better preparation for Derry who are a good side in a vital league game. It was the FAI that wanted the Final in Waterford though.
19/09/2009, 9:14 PM
sheao

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Originally Posted by topia

Oh ok well if Pat Fenlon didnt invent the whole thing to give you something to create another conspiracy theory out of then Bohs have lost out on not playing at home because they made an agreement to play it in Waterford. Of course the fact that its Derry would have influenced Bohs decision to allow the final to be played in Waterford as they thought that the agreement with the FAI would mean not having to travel to opposite ends of the country (insert pun here) within the space of a few days meaning better preparation for Derry who are a good side in a vital league game. It was the FAI that wanted the Final in Waterford though.

It might be the fact that John Delaney is from Waterford if i am correct.
Will there be any temporary seating brought in at all?
19/09/2009, 9:18 PM
unclekev

Is this League all about Bohs and Fenlon?
They have to travel so seldom. Only to Cork, Derry, Galway & Sligo twice a season.( 8 trips. Other teams have 3 times that.) All their other games are only a trot away. Maybe to suit them the teams out of Dublin and its boundaries should be relegated. Why I wonder did they agree to travel to Waterford in the first place?... now there's a question I would like to hear answered truly.
If a Club is successful of course they will have fixture congestion. Most Clubs would welcome this problem.
Stop moaning Bohs.
19/09/2009, 9:24 PM
blue til i die

They should just play it and shut up about it!!
19/09/2009, 10:57 PM
SkStu

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Originally Posted by unclekev

Is this League all about Bohs and Fenlon?
They have to travel so seldom. Only to Cork, Derry, Galway & Sligo twice a season.( 8 trips. Other teams have 3 times that.) All their other games are only a trot away. Maybe to suit them the teams out of Dublin and its boundaries should be relegated. Why I wonder did they agree to travel to Waterford in the first place?... now there's a question I would like to hear answered truly.
If a Club is successful of course they will have fixture congestion. Most Clubs would welcome this problem.
Stop moaning Bohs.

are you for real?

1) this is the first thread about Fenlon or Bohs (bar the financial thread) since the start of the season. Bohs fans here are among the least vocal fans posting in this forum. (i may be the exception that proves the rule although most of the crap i post is easily ignored rubbish).

2) Its not our fault that we travel so seldom. Its also not our fault that the clubs you listed have to travel so much. No one is calling for "Maybe to suit them the teams out of Dublin and its boundaries should be relegated." Why are you putting words into the fans/Fenlons/the clubs mouth? Its not the point at issue.

3) Bohs agreed to travel to and play the final in Waterford at the request of the FAI in return for an assurance from the FAI that the game against Derry a couple of days later would be MOVED. Not cancelled, not relocated to Dalymount Park. A fairly reasonable deal all things considered. We'd still have to make the trip. But its not about the trip, its about the FAI backing out of some sort of agreement that they should never have made in the first place if they didnt have the power or authority to do so. Otherwise we would just have taken our chances with the coin flip. Theres no mystery about why we agreed to play the final in Waterford.

4) We are Bohs, born to moan.
19/09/2009, 11:00 PM
SkStu

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Originally Posted by A N Mouse

Will any of you, other SkStu care to admit the issue at the heart of the matter:

i believe i have listed in the post above at point 3, the issue at the heart of the matter.
19/09/2009, 11:57 PM
VinnyDCFC

What's the bottom line here?

Say DCFC agreed to talk about a fixture change versus Bohs (highly unlikely at this late stage and one which most sane Derry fans would be against) when would that take place exactly?
Why have the Bohs fans and/ or Pat Fenlon not suggested such a date?

Is this more to do with the opposition Bohs face following the LC Final, Derry and Shamrock Rovers? (all of a sudden these 2 games could be title deciders)

We've been told the League Cup is a minnow cup for years from Bohs fans so just ignore it then, play your A team and carry on as you were.....problem solved :cool:
20/09/2009, 12:45 AM
topia

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Originally Posted by VinnyDCFC

Is this more to do with the opposition Bohs face following the LC Final, Derry and Shamrock Rovers? (all of a sudden these 2 games could be title deciders)

We've been told the League Cup is a minnow cup for years from Bohs fans so just ignore it then, play your A team and carry on as you were.....problem solved :cool:

Its been said, When the FAI wanted to play it in Waterford of course Bohs didnt want to play opposition as strong as Derry within a couple of days at the opposite end of the country and so the 'agreement' was made. You seem to be making out that Bohs just didnt fancy a trip to Derry and rang up the FAI to say nah that doesnt suit us.

By the way i agree that Derry would be mad to agree to change it at this stage, its not their problem, it is the FAI who are to blame, making an agreement to suit themselves when they wouldnt/couldnt carry it out.
20/09/2009, 8:10 AM
forza rovers

Don't like it don't play do what fenlon done after the cup game look your team in the dressing room for hours and have a moan
20/09/2009, 1:43 PM
pineapple stu

Have you actually read the thread?

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