Worst Irish player ever!

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13/08/2009, 10:10 AM
as_i_say

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Originally Posted by Big Chief

David Connelly gets my vote. How he ever carved out a career in professional football at such a high level always bewildered me. I have witnessed numerous strikers in the League of Ireland that I would rate higher than him.

connolly is a championship standard player and always was. and he always scored a hatful of goals for any championship team he ever played for and was a consistently good performer at that level. He never played on a consistent level for us and was virtually never first choice.

So basically your comment is a load of old arse.
13/08/2009, 10:17 AM
Thebolg

don't know about worst but myt two least favorite are Phil Babb and David Connely. HATE David "i should be first choice" Connely.
13/08/2009, 11:45 AM
Big Chief

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Originally Posted by as_i_say

connolly is a championship standard player and always was. and he always scored a hatful of goals for any championship team he ever played for and was a consistently good performer at that level. He never played on a consistent level for us and was virtually never first choice.

So basically your comment is a load of old arse.

I couldn't care less how many Championship managers deemed him worthy of throwing money at, the bottom line was that he was nowhere near the class. I can still distinctly recall his appearance from the bench against Spain in the 2002 World Cup when he barely touched the ball and was utterly hopeless.

I stand over my views that there were better strikers operating in the League of Ireland both at that time and indeed at present.
13/08/2009, 12:13 PM
The Swordsman

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Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia

Not a clue ...........

Played very well in the qualifiers for the World Cup. Lost confidence just before take off but overall was a good solid player for us, always gave 100% too.

Excellent away to Denmark and good in the home game too. Played well in the game away to the North also.

I think he played in about 9 of the qualifiers - in a successful campaign - so I'm not sure how you work it out he is our worst ever. Unless something else has upset you ?

The only thing I'm upset about is that game last night, but I won't blame Alan for that.

I remember the Denmark game well and he did have a very good game. And you're right - there was a (short) spell when he looked like a good player. But you could say that about a lot of the players mentioned in this thread and you know the old saying about swallows and summers. I judged AK on the basis of what he did in his entire career, particularly for Ireland and unfortunately he had more awful games than good ones. He became a liability to team and was far from being a solid player. He was only getting picked because we had absolutely no alternative. I remember one game (a friendly against the Czechs springs to mind but I'm not sure) where, under no pressure, he literally tripped over the ball at the edge of the box and we ended up losing a goal.

If you remember, on the back of his initial performances for Ireland, he got a big money move (for the time) to Man City but it never amounted to anything. He just ended up drifting down the leagues.

BTW, Paddy, I have no personal gripe with AK as you seem to imply (feel free to correct me if I picked you up wrong) - I just don't rate him as a player.
13/08/2009, 12:24 PM
as_i_say

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Originally Posted by Big Chief

I couldn't care less how many Championship managers deemed him worthy of throwing money at, the bottom line was that he was nowhere near the class. I can still distinctly recall his appearance from the bench against Spain in the 2002 World Cup when he barely touched the ball and was utterly hopeless.

I stand over my views that there were better strikers operating in the League of Ireland both at that time and indeed at present.

Nowhere near what class? second tier english class? I never said he was good enough to ever be a top class international but worst ever Irish player is utter balls. A quick review of his stats will show you how many goals he scored at championship level for the clubs he was at and his record is a fine one at that level. He is now 32, clubless, and his best days are behind him so obviously some hotshot young LOI lad could be better than him now but thats hardly comparing like with like.

I'll stand over my view that you are talking out of your sphincter on this one.
13/08/2009, 12:42 PM
fergalr

OP needs to define the question a bit more clearly judging by the wide frame of reference of many of the responses.

However, no matter how you define "worst", the answer is always going to be Lapira.
13/08/2009, 12:53 PM
seanfhear

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Originally Posted by Big Chief

I couldn't care less how many Championship managers deemed him worthy of throwing money at, the bottom line was that he was nowhere near the class. I can still distinctly recall his appearance from the bench against Spain in the 2002 World Cup when he barely touched the ball and was utterly hopeless.

I stand over my views that there were better strikers operating in the League of Ireland both at that time and indeed at present.

Wasn't Clinton Morrison on the bench that day as well.

I could not understand how he was not brought on instead of Connolly.

Maybe he had not served enough of an apprenticeship for some at that time:rolleyes:
13/08/2009, 1:00 PM
Hibernian

Liam Miller or Alan O Brien

Joesph Lipira was up there
13/08/2009, 1:02 PM
RivaldoBabb

We have had some rubbish over the years...mcgoldrick, daish, lapira, kernaghan, my namesake...i could go on.
13/08/2009, 1:04 PM
Hibs4Ever

Anyone naming Kernaghan as the worst Irish international ever seriously doesn't have a clue
13/08/2009, 1:12 PM
RivaldoBabb

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Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever

Anyone naming Kernaghan as the worst Irish international ever seriously doesn't have a clue

Why is that, he was a complete donkey?

And if you dont agree well thats your opinion.
13/08/2009, 1:15 PM
Hibs4Ever

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Originally Posted by RivaldoBabb

Why is that, he was a complete donkey?

So you think Lapira was a better player for us than Kernaghan?
13/08/2009, 1:22 PM
endabob1

Realistically the likes of Kernaghan, Connolly, McGoldrick, Morris, Kilbane etc... were all decent championship standard players who happened to fill a void when needed, I haven't included Babb as he was awesome in 94 even if McGrath held his hand for the 4 games, but they were far from the worst players ever to pull on a green shirt.
I think Butler & Lapria would be the 2 stand outs of recent times although Alan O'Brien must come pretty close
13/08/2009, 1:31 PM
DeLorean

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Originally Posted by Big Chief

I can still distinctly recall his appearance from the bench against Spain in the 2002 World Cup when he barely touched the ball and was utterly hopeless.

He came on with 10mins to go of normal time for God sake, what'd you expect, a hat-trick? and if I remember right he nearly sneaked one into the bottom corner at the death. He did miss his penalty but he wasn't alone. I'm with as_i_say on this one bigtime.
13/08/2009, 1:47 PM
Scooby1983

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Originally Posted by noddy102

Joe Lapira is the answer of course.
Alan Kernaghan gets you a bonus point.

:) I remember him getting man of the match two games in a row on RTE. That was the peak for him though - absolutely shocking. Honourable mention to the Doc for me. Donkey of the highest order.
13/08/2009, 1:54 PM
The Swordsman

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Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever

So you think Lapira was a better player for us than Kernaghan?

Lapira only played once and was only brought in to make up numbers. Butler only played half a game

Kernaghan played 20 or 30.

Maybe if Lapira had played 20 times, he may have proved to have been a better player.;)
13/08/2009, 2:47 PM
gustavo

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Originally Posted by The Swordsman

Lapira only played once and was only brought in to make up numbers. Butler only played half a game

Kernaghan played 20 or 30.

Maybe if Lapira had played 20 times, he may have proved to have been a better player.;)

The fact that he played 20-30 as you say suggests he wasn't doing that bad of a job
13/08/2009, 2:50 PM
DeLorean

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Originally Posted by gustavo

The fact that he played 20-30 as you say suggests he wasn't doing that bad of a job

Especially seeing as many of them would have been during the successful 1994 WC Qualifying campaign.
13/08/2009, 2:52 PM
as_i_say

Maybe if thread was "worst Irish player to get more than 20 caps" or something. 1 or 2 cap wonders like Lapira/Butler/macken were obviously crap cos they only got 1 or 2 caps!
13/08/2009, 5:58 PM
gspain

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Originally Posted by The Swordsman

The only thing I'm upset about is that game last night, but I won't blame Alan for that.

I remember the Denmark game well and he did have a very good game. And you're right - there was a (short) spell when he looked like a good player. But you could say that about a lot of the players mentioned in this thread and you know the old saying about swallows and summers. I judged AK on the basis of what he did in his entire career, particularly for Ireland and unfortunately he had more awful games than good ones. He became a liability to team and was far from being a solid player. He was only getting picked because we had absolutely no alternative. I remember one game (a friendly against the Czechs springs to mind but I'm not sure) where, under no pressure, he literally tripped over the ball at the edge of the box and we ended up losing a goal.

If you remember, on the back of his initial performances for Ireland, he got a big money move (for the time) to Man City but it never amounted to anything. He just ended up drifting down the leagues.

BTW, Paddy, I have no personal gripe with AK as you seem to imply (feel free to correct me if I picked you up wrong) - I just don't rate him as a player.

I can't recall the incident you mention. I think I attended almost all of his 22 caps and certainly the competitive ones.

He had a poor game against Spain in 1993 as did most others in green that day. He played in 7 other World Cup qualifiers in which we conceded 3 goals in total. He certainly wasn't at fault for Jimmy Quinn's goal in Belfast or the Albanian goal in Tirana. I can't recall the buildup or the finish to Kim Vilfort's goal in Dublin. We put out the reigning european champions and Alan turned in some great performaqnces in that campaign.

He lost his place for the finals because we had Liverpool's Phil Babb to play alongside Paul McGrath. Babb was very highly rated at the time and indeed looked a quality player for a time.

He subsequently played in 4 qualifiers in the next campaign where we missed out on a place in the finals after losing a playoff to Holland. I don't recall him being responsible for any of the 5 goals conceded while he playing.

His last cap was a 3-0 win over Bolivia in 1996 - where he captained the side.

He made a significant contribution to our team when we were ranked as high as 6th in the world.

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