European Parliament Elections 2009

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Originally Posted by irishultra

if libertas are voted in does that mean irish will no longer have free movement within EU. how about if I leave this ****ty country beforehand, would it still apply?

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There's nothing in their explanation in Post #31, that suggests we won't have free movement within the EU.

Obviously, if Libertas implement their immigration views there'll be no comeback on Ireland. :rolleyes:

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IMMIGRATION ROW: LIBERTAS HAS been accused of being “fascist” and of playing the “immigration card” with its plans to impose a two-year limit on migration into Ireland from other European states and a ban on immigrants claiming benefits here.

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http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...246700677.html

Raymond O'Malley is talking about closing the borders. Even if people agree with the right wing sentiment, and don't mind being in the company of such well respected people as fascist white nationalists in the UK (judging what google throws up and their approval for the comments), do they honestly think we can go it alone and there won't be similar conditions put on us?

In Poland, their candidates are from the League of Polish Families, who are essentially Catholic Fundamentalist, and other candidates there include outspoken holocaust deniers. In Italy they're aligned to fascists.

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Originally Posted by Macy

In Poland, their candidates are from the League of Polish Families, who are essentially Catholic Fundamentalist, and other candidates there include outspoken holocaust deniers. In Italy they're aligned to fascists.

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Was considering voting for them here in Germany, except that they f*cked up their registration procedure so can't take part, and now they've gone and declared support for a right-wing Catholic "Family" party (non-fascist, but anti- lots of stuff like gay rights). That's that then. From the sound of their (Libertas) forums a lot of their erstwhile German supporters have turned away from them too.

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Originally Posted by Macy

Obviously, if Libertas implement their immigration views there'll be no comeback on Ireland. :rolleyes:



http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...246700677.html

Raymond O'Malley is talking about closing the borders. Even if people agree with the right wing sentiment, and don't mind being in the company of such well respected people as fascist white nationalists in the UK (judging what google throws up and their approval for the comments), do they honestly think we can go it alone and there won't be similar conditions put on us?

In Poland, their candidates are from the League of Polish Families, who are essentially Catholic Fundamentalist, and other candidates there include outspoken holocaust deniers. In Italy they're aligned to fascists.

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Yeah maybe, but still better than FF and FG - dont you think!:p

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Originally Posted by bennocelt

Yeah maybe, but still better than FF and FG - dont you think!:p

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No.

Even looking this Blue Card suggestion in a selfish manner if this was to be implemented on EU wide basis it would mean unemployed Irish people in say the UK having to come back to Ireland. As I don't see Ireland economy picking up as quickly as others it is likely that emigration will be necessary.

Libertas claim to be pro EU but a polucy like that shows they are opposed to the very core of the EU which is freedom of movement & right to employment in different countries.

People can't emigrate, because there are no jobs in the UK, like there are no jobs here. The recession isn't just restricted to Ireland, you know.

Libertas are opposed to Turkish membership of the EU, and from reading their website, you can see why.

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Originally Posted by mypost

People can't emigrate, because there are no jobs in the UK, like there are no jobs here. The recession isn't just restricted to Ireland, you know

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There are 1,000s of Jobs all over europe. Some people can't find work. Other people are being headhunted to lead multinational corporations

Under Libertas, Irish people wouldn't be allowed take up these jobs in Europe.

Not everybody who emigrates does so because they have to.

Oh and on Turkey, ther figures are way, way out.

I'd be against Turkey joining myelf, but not on economic grounds

The EU has 500 million citizens. A few thousand jobs available, is nowhere near the level needed to reduce the level of unemployment throughout the Union significantly, or stimulate economies.

A lot of jobs that are available are high level jobs, that only a select number of people can apply for, and who are usually already in employment anyway.

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Originally Posted by mypost

The EU has 500 million citizens. A few thousand jobs available, is nowhere near the level needed to reduce the level of unemployment throughout the Union significantly, or stimulate economies.

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Go on then, tell me how Libertas will help this

Wheres proof that their candidates "in Italy are aligned to Fascists"???If your gonna say you read that in the Irish TImes too then im just gonna laugh.The Irish Times is NEVER trying to smear Libertas at all:rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by mypost

A lot of jobs that are available are high level jobs, that only a select number of people can apply for, and who are usually already in employment anyway.

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I was over in Madrid back in March and there were more "people wanted" signs in shops there then there are here. I was really surprised because Spain has always had a high level of unemployment, something like 17%, iirc.

Yet despite the recession as well as high unemployment, there were still more places like Burger King, shoe shops, etc. actively looking for staff then over here. And that was just one European country.

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Originally Posted by mypost

A lot of jobs that are available are high level jobs, that only a select number of people can apply for, and who are usually already in employment anyway.

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Seeing as you editted it

ANy stats for this? Or are you only using my example. Either way, if that person leaves their current job, it frees up a job here.

And why should the Gvernment act in a way to discourage Irish people from taking jobs abroad? How will that help anyone? Regardless of level?

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Originally Posted by superfrank

Yet despite the recession as well as high unemployment, there were still more places like Burger King, shoe shops, etc. actively looking for staff then over here. And that was just one European country.

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True, Burger King and McD are advertising here too. How many applications did they get in Galway/Ennis recently? How come everyone suddenly wants to work for them?

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Originally Posted by Dodge

ANy stats for this? Or are you only using my example.

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There are no stats. However, go onto any job website today, and choose any industry, and you'll see for yourself the requirements needed just to apply for the position, let alone get an interview, or succeed in it. Beginner level jobs are very much in the minority.

So you admit there's jobs available for Irish people and you want Libertas to stop them getting the jobs?

I got a Libertas leaflet and found it pretty laughable. 3/4 of it was covered with attacks on other parties, before a wee bit about about themselves.

They're in favour of jobs and development apparently.

Which is nice.

They strike me as a very sinister organization to be honest, they'll only manage to creep above SF on my ballot paper.

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Originally Posted by mypost

The EU has 500 million citizens. A few thousand jobs available, is nowhere near the level needed to reduce the level of unemployment throughout the Union significantly, or stimulate economies.

A lot of jobs that are available are high level jobs, that only a select number of people can apply for, and who are usually already in employment anyway.

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Please can you provide evidence that there are more management jobs available than entry level in the EU.

That's a mad statement tbh, completely unsupportable.

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Originally Posted by Mr. A

I got a Libertas leaflet and found it pretty laughable. 3/4 of it was covered with attacks on other parties, before a wee bit about about themselves.

They strike me as a very sinister organization to be honest, they'll only manage to creep above SF on my ballot paper.

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FF are a sinister organisation too. Doesn't stop people voting for them.

Attacking other parties is to campaigning, as eating and drinking.

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Originally Posted by mypost

FF are a sinister organisation too. Doesn't stop people voting for them.

Attacking other parties is to campaigning, as eating and drinking.

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FF aren't sinister, it's clear as day they are out to serve themselves and a small cabal of special interests.

Libertas only common ground is dissatisfaction with the current European structure. Their policies are contradictory and unclear, and their financing is a complete black hole.

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Originally Posted by mypost

Attacking other parties is to campaigning, as eating and drinking.

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I agree, well put.

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Originally Posted by Mr A

... Libertas... strike me as a very sinister organization to be honest, they'll only manage to creep above SF on my ballot paper.

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Neither will get a vote on mine. I'll have voted for some people who are sure to get in before my vote would ever reach either of them. Libertas seem to believe in negative campaigning, pandering to popular fears and dodgy funding. And frankly, if I want any of that, I'll vote FF.