PFAI Believes Drogheda Can Remain in Premier

i have been to every ground in the league prem and first and i genuinely without drog bias dont think united park is the worst ground. i'm always amazed by the abuse it gets here. i have many friends who support other clubs and all enjoy coming to away games in drogheda and never have a bad word to say about stadium. think everyone here jumped on the united park is a kip bandwagon. i have also recently played in the showgrounds, century, flancare, oriel, tolka and united park and can 100% hand on heart say that united park has the best playing surface by far. i have played on both ucd pitches and the old one was good but can anyone seriously claim the bowl is superior to united park:eek:

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Originally Posted by diamond

yeah...have fun paying the mercenary to sit in the stands after he gets a "sex injury" like he did for us!
keep on topic please or this thread will end like many others lately ruined by craptown fans talking crap

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What dundalk fans are talking crap. They have pointed out on numerous occasions the reasons for shelbyville to be awarded a license due to a "new stadia" being provide for drogheda in Co. Meath. That has fallen through and you still expect to be in the premier league when a:

• You expect to pay creditors somewhere in the region of 15c in every €. BTW the revenue will not accept that. Cork may of got away with it but the revenue wont be stung twice
• You still owe sligo for Kudovic (or however it is spelt)
• That Utd pk is way below standards for premier division football
• no sort of any business plan has been put forward to the examiner or the high on how drogheda are actually going to function as a club and a business entity
• you still owe the majority of your players wages. Player may mean well and may feel a sense of loyalty to hoey but loyalty only goes so far. How loyal will they be the bank manager is knocking on their door wanting their mortgage arrears.
• you still have the man who put drogheda utd in this mess in the first place at the helm.

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Originally Posted by blackholesun

Exactly, all debts with other clubs must be settled.

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...and as I said if Sligo accept [settle with DUFC for] 10% as a creditor before the High Court, how are they then going to claim to the FAI that they haven't had their debt settled?

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Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite

• You expect to pay creditors somewhere in the region of 15c in every €. BTW the revenue will not accept that. Cork may of got away with it but the revenue wont be stung twice

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We didn't 'get away with it'. The revenue opposed it strongly and the High Court ruled against them.

The revenue will also refuse whatever settlement DUFC offer, all that matters is whether the High Court rules in the club's favour.

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Because (in my opinion anyway) licencing should never kick a team out of the league and out of existence. The worst punishment under it should be demotion to the lowest level of senior football (which is now the A League), regardless of how screwed up you are. And you don't get let up out of that until you're compliant.

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I think you miss the fundamental point about licensing if you fail a critira and that critiera is the same in the first div then you cannot be awarded that licence. I think that the financial requirements for a Prem or first div licence are the same therefore if you fail you fail end of.. only my opinion and this is not having a dig a drogs but at the process.

I can see where Pineapple is coming from. Clubs who cannot meet the criteria should be banished to somewhere where they can still exist and attempt, no matter how slowly, to get their house in order rather than disappear altogether. It remains to be seen if a team can drop down to the A Championship and be viable though, particularly with the very short season.

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Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite

[*]no sort of any business plan has been put forward to the examiner or the high on how drogheda are actually going to function as a club and a business entity[/LIST]

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And you have proof of this?

Listen, I don't really think we should be awarded a Premier Licence be it of debts are not cleared of if the ground is not brought up to scratch.

If we do survive and then get a Premier licence then it'll show up the Licencing system for the sham that it is.

A lot of work is currently going on, with the main aim of saving the club and getting a Premier licence. I've had a lot of close meetings with the club over the past few weeks and I am fully prepared to question them on anything that is proposed going forward.

We as DUFC fans are looking into various different solutions on what sort of a club we can have if we survive next season. Hopefully we will get what we require and not let this mess happen again.

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Originally Posted by Drogman.

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If we do survive and then get a Premier licence then it'll show up the Licencing system for the sham that it is.

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I understand you were replying to another poster and making other points during your post. But I have to comment on your separate sentence.

Drogheda Utd. have gone to the High Court so they may avoid paying the Debts that are before them in the agreed way. DUFC wish to 'move the goalposts','reach a new compromise with their creditors (fudge?)'. They have continued a conversation with Meath and Louth County Council regarding decisions already made to their determent, 'not living in the present'.
Please don't drag the Licensing decision-making process into the individual decisions DUFC have made at this time. Nobody could touch DUFC for 70 days, now 30 days.

DUFC will have an opportunity to put their case to the licensing decision-makers, do not attempt to denegrate their efforts while they patiently wait for decisions of the High Court which DUFC are able to influence. By going to the High Court, DUFC take the lead in the decision-making process.
Licensing can't talk about you, it is foolish for you to talk about licensing in an
derogatory manner.

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Originally Posted by diamond

yeah...have fun paying the mercenary to sit in the stands after he gets a "sex injury" like he did for us!
keep on topic please or this thread will end like many others lately ruined by craptown fans talking crap

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Please elaborate on how exactly he is a "Mercenary". Also would love to hear more on this "Sex Injury".

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Originally Posted by passerrby

I think you miss the fundamental point about licensing if you fail a critira and that critiera is the same in the first div then you cannot be awarded that licence. I think that the financial requirements for a Prem or first div licence are the same therefore if you fail you fail end of

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Take that to its logical conclusion though - if you don't get a licence, what happens? Do you sit outside football until you get everything sorted? How are you meant to sort your problems while you effectively don't exist?

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Originally Posted by HarpoJoyce

I understand you were replying to another poster and making other points during your post. But I have to comment on your separate sentence.

Drogheda Utd. have gone to the High Court so they may avoid paying the Debts that are before them in the agreed way. DUFC wish to 'move the goalposts','reach a new compromise with their creditors (fudge?)'. They have continued a conversation with Meath and Louth County Council regarding decisions already made to their determent, 'not living in the present'.
Please don't drag the Licensing decision-making process into the individual decisions DUFC have made at this time. Nobody could touch DUFC for 70 days, now 30 days.

DUFC will have an opportunity to put their case to the licensing decision-makers, do not attempt to denegrate their efforts while they patiently wait for decisions of the High Court which DUFC are able to influence. By going to the High Court, DUFC take the lead in the decision-making process.
Licensing can't talk about you, it is foolish for you to talk about licensing in an
derogatory manner.

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With all due respect, I've read through the documentation on licencing, cover to cover. I know what is required to apply for a licence for A Championship, First Div or Premier status and even though everything in it makes sense as regards what should be setup, the reality is that clubs like DUFC and many others simply cannot adhere to some of the requirements.

Like most things, it looks great on paper, but in practice it can't work at this present time.

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Originally Posted by Poor Student

I can see where Pineapple is coming from. Clubs who cannot meet the criteria should be banished to somewhere where they can still exist and attempt, no matter how slowly, to get their house in order rather than disappear altogether. It remains to be seen if a team can drop down to the A Championship and be viable though, particularly with the very short season.

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It could become a longer than expected season in the A Championship though if they did that to many of the clubs in difficulty ...

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Originally Posted by Dodge

GTF!!! Seriously, you're talking absolute ****e if you think Shels had any case. IN reality the FAI treated shels very lightly (as witnessed by the resignation of the licensing chairman)

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It's clear you hate Shels Dodge but for the record Shels came to agreements with all their creditors and paid revenue in full and were still demoted.

If the same rules still apply then Cork Drogheda Cobh Finn Harps and Bray should be demoted.

Of course that is not going to happen..

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Originally Posted by higgins

If the same rules still apply then Cork Drogheda Cobh Finn Harps and Bray should be demoted.

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Why, what have Harps done? Yes, the agreed a deferral with their players, but every one of them has received the wages which were deferred at the end of the season.

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Originally Posted by higgins

It's clear you hate Shels Dodge but for the record Shels came to agreements with all their creditors and paid revenue in full and were still demoted.

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When are you handing back that league title that you won with your unfair advantage?

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Originally Posted by tiktok

When are you handing back that league title that you won with your unfair advantage?

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That league title means nothing to me.
If the FAI were to rule against it then so be it!
At this stage it's unlikely and I'm not sure under what rule they could do that.

These days they do have rules regarding non payment to players and I suppose could impose points deductions for that offense but then we'd have deductions for Cork Cobh Finn Harps Bray Drogheda Athlone Kildare and probably more.

Simple facts are tiktok that the same rules applied to Shels are no longer being applied to other clubs. Considering the rules that were brought in after the Shels case it's strange to say the least.

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Originally Posted by higgins

At this stage it's unlikely and I'm not sure under what rule they could do that.

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Cork City, Longford, Shamrock Rovers and Drogheda United were all docked points for their various financial difficulties and false returns, you were never docked points.

Cork City were docked points for going into examinership, that was our punishment, we've already taken it and gotten on with it. We emerged successfully from examinership [that our creditors got screwed isn't within the scope of the licensing committee's brief to rule on]. We currently owe backpay in the hundreds of thousands, but we have until Jan 31st to pay it, if we do pay it, we'll get our licence.

I get that you're feeling hard done by, for whatever reason, but it's getting very repetitive at this stage.

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Originally Posted by higgins

It's clear you hate Shels Dodge but for the record Shels came to agreements with all their creditors and paid revenue in full and were still demoted.

If the same rules still apply then Cork Drogheda Cobh Finn Harps and Bray should be demoted.

Of course that is not going to happen..

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Higgins the phrase "clutching at straws come to mind"
Man you badly want shels in the premier.:p

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Take that to its logical conclusion though - if you don't get a licence, what happens? Do you sit outside football until you get everything sorted? How are you meant to sort your problems while you effectively don't exist?

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then you must play in the A cham where the requiremnet is not there until you can comply with licensing otherwise why have it

Fair enough. (And if you look back at my previous posts on Drogheda and Cork, that's my suggestion too).

But then there's a gap in the First with no A Team to fill it.