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Would tend to agree now at this stage the thread should be locked. I voted in the poll that I would have him back no prejudice but he really doesnt give a sh!t about Ireland that is now clear. I no longer check man city forums or sites to see fan remarks. He really is a little putz.
I don't think it should be locked , You've a thread going about a player that played for us over 50 years ago ,a player that played for us 20 years a player that has yet to play for us at senior level and all manner of threads about players that are playing in England who just happen to be Irish all on the front page so this forum isnt just about the Senior international squad members
How about closing this thread, opening another with a new poll with the same options to see if people's opinions have changed. I know mine have :D
THAT is a good idea. i doubt he'd enjoy the 70-odd percent Yes/Yes After Apology he does anymore. i've certainly soured on him and my frustration increases in direct correlation with his current excellent form. I don't know what option i'd pick anymore but still our midfield is crying out for a talent like his.Quote:
Originally Posted by amaccann
Can we have a "yes, after being tarred and feathered" option?
Lads this is over now so why dont we all talk about a real prospect ...Kevin Nolan :P
can we have a no and tarred and feathered option?
How about a "Yes, but only if he puts his wig back on"
Yes, how is his England career going? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by bwagner
At this stage both he and Stiffing Ireland can kiss my Blarney stones.
The only ones I can see talking sense to Ireland is someone like Robhihno....can't see any footballer from Brazil turning a chance down to play for their country or understanding that mentality.
you mean like Deco? Or Kevin Kuriyani (born in Brazil)? Or those 2 players that took Quatar passports for a truckload of money?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scram
Stephen The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland more like! Ghoul
Good piece by James Lawton in the indo today.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...s-1494917.html
Redemption realistic for exiled Ireland, but only on Trap's terms
By James Lawton
Friday October 10 2008
They are not exactly the Three Tenors -- not one of them has yet displayed the extrovert panache of the late Pavarotti when he invaded the football stages of Rome and Los Angeles -- but rarely can a trio of World Cup performers have sung so coherently and consistently from the same sheet of music.
Giovanni Trapattoni for Ireland, Fabio Capello for England and Italy's returning conqueror Marcello Lippi, have all, and in almost identical fashion, hammered home the same imperative.
It is the making a team, a unifying of purpose that already has shifted the balance between the requirement of special talent and the importance of accepting that one rule applies to all who care to wear the shirt of their country.
Stephen Ireland's reluctance to do this is no doubt a source of some sadness to Trapattoni, but then we don't need clairvoyance to imagine his reaction when reading the file of the talented 22-year-old from Cork.
It would have been roughly the same as his compatriot Capello when he first encountered an English dressing room inhabited by a group of superstars who had been pampered quite relentlessly in the years of Sven-Goran Eriksson and his hapless successor, Steve McClaren.
Superstar
This isn't to say Ireland is a superstar; merely the owner of talent which, if properly marshalled and motivated, might be of considerable service to a team not overburdened with blazing virtuosity.
Capello cleared out the agents and the bad habits, the sloppy discipline, the casual dress, the rarely idle mobile phones, and he told players like David Beckham and Michael Owen that playing for England was no longer a right but a privilege granted to those who might still have something viable to offer. Trapattoni's approach to Ireland may have been less abrasive, but the point can hardly have been missed by Ireland -- or anyone else harbouring doubts about his commitment to the cause.
If the player did have second thoughts, if he displayed some inclination to climb out of the appalling hole he dug for himself when his brief international career ended so ignominiously, well, redemption might be available. But on Trapattoni's terms; there would be no beseeching, nothing beyond the informal inquiry of his assistant Liam Brady.
With his point, made gently enough, that a team's tactics, and instincts, can be more easily controlled than its personnel, Trapattoni is merely underlining the classic point of so many who have led teams to success on the international stage. Before he returned to lead the Azzurri he guided, without notable help from blazing individual talent, to the World Cup crown two years ago, Lippi said, "So many make the mistake of believing that the big job is to assemble all the best players, but when you do this you often pay too high a price. The best players, of course, don't always make the best team."
If he saw it, the Lippi quote would have resonated in the mind of no-one more powerfully than Jack Charlton, the man who so relentlessly purged the cult of personality in Ireland's most successful spell in international football. Once he asked England's only World Cup-winning manager, Alf Ramsey, why it was he had chosen to place him among such silky talents as his brother Bobby and Bobby Moore. "It is, Jack, because I don't necessarily pick the best players. I pick the best team."
In the affair of Stephen Ireland, Trapattoni found a superb spokesman in Richard Dunne this week.
With fine economy, the Manchester City man spoke of the weariness he felt at constantly being asked about the possible return of a player who had, for his own reasons, quit the colours. Dunne didn't further muddy the water, he didn't speak of any disgust at the manner of Ireland's abdication, the lies that accompanied it, but he did raise the most pertinent point of all. What if Ireland built on their promising start in qualifying, what if they marched on South Africa 2010, what, quite, would the re-appearance of Stephen Ireland say to the foot soldiers who had made it happen?
It would declare that you could treat the whole process with contempt, you could luxuriate in the rewards and the celebrity of the Premiership without irksome diversions in places like Georgia and Cyprus, and then, if the mood took you, if a little career-enhancing glory might just be involved, you might just change your mind.
That Dunne should even touch on the possibility is maybe no small aria to the psychological change that Trapattoni may already have worked.
At the very least it suggests a change of emphasis, a certain fancying of possibilities under a man who, it appears, has laid down values that will not waver with every new gust of circumstance.
Stephen Ireland lied his way out of the Irish shirt. Whether or not he ever confronts the truth expressed this week by Dunne will, we have to believe, remain some way down Trapattoni's list of priorities. How could it be otherwise in any football man who knows how to make a team?
- James Lawton
A wee number for mr. manchester...
to the tune of "lord of the dance"
He said his granny was dead
But he had a hair transplant instead
He's not fit to wear the green
He can f4ck back off to his wig machine
I know you were taking the **** there bwagner but in fairness to Nolan, he was asked to represent Ireland, he took it into consideration, but ultimately decided his heart wasn't in it and chose to pursue an International career with a country he actually feels afilliated to, regardless of how unlikely it would be for him to make the squad, never mind the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by bwagner
You have to respect that decision, he didn't take the easy option.
I'll tell you who we really need to talk about: Frank "Almost Irish" Queuedrue.
fck stephen ireland thats all i say.
Close the thread it's just repetition
Close the thread it's just repetition:)
Obviously not;)Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Don't close the thread, move it to World Football
Worm, you are just repeating what I said 500 posts ago.
Forgive me if I didn't read 500 postsQuote:
Originally Posted by geysir
They didn't actually turn down the chance to play for their country though did they, which is what he actually said?? I don't recall either of them being called into a Brazilian squad, was more a case of them nailing their colours to their respective masts in the belief that they were unlikely to receive a call up to the Brazilian squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Fair enough, but my point was that not all Brazilians can consider it such an honour to play for their country, if there are so many playing for other countries
As well as those mentioned, there's Aurelio for Turkey, Pepe for Portugal, Guerreiro for Poland and Senna for Spain
Anyone who wants to close the thread, jsut stop posting in it, or reading it.
He could be like Makalele. He retired from playing for France until Domenech called him up and he was made to join up with the squad saying that while he was a registered footballer he was available for selection.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
And he was threatened with a club ban if he didn't turn up.
Trap should just pick Ireland and to hell with it, get him banned from playing for City if he refuses
Not really a fan of this- we seem to have a good team atmosphere in the camp, and calling up a guy who clearly isn't interested in playing for us will do two things:Quote:
Originally Posted by weldoninhio
1) **** off the players he is replacing who have been turning up and given their all, whether in training or in matches (to good effect so far).
2) We have a player on the field who doesn't want to play for us, which could hinder our chances of doing well.
If Ireland really wants to return on his own accord, then you can look at it and see if it's worth it, but when things are going well you don't make things more dramatic by bringing a figure like him into the picture.
I do not think that Trap would play Stephen Ireland maybe thats why he has not come back
Yes because gibson and whelan are such proven midfieldersd who are scoring and creating vital goals for their club in the premier league week in week out, oh and were tipped for player of the month last month, oh wait, thats stephen ireland im talking about is it,Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
i respect and agree with posters views on here about not having him play for loyalty reasons but that comment is just sheer stupidity IMO.
I think his point is that Trap has already stated that he wants 2 defensive midfielders and that Ireland however good he is doesnt fit into the system much like Andy ReidQuote:
Originally Posted by bellavistaman
Ah apologies!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Ireland interviewed before tonights game again confirming that he won't be coming back in the near future. He says there's absolutely no problems between himself and the squad members. He's just happy with life atm.
But he doesnt want to play for his country or he would have made himself available at the begining of the campaign, surely? i have said it before and ill say it again, lets move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by bellavistaman
Tasty Goal last night
Sickening to hear a good man like given beaten by that little sh1thead. glad i havent seen it.
I firmly believe he'll need us before we'll need him... Everything's tickadee boo now. His form is good. A club with potential.... That's all gonna change innevitablyQuote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Ireland hasn't got the mental strength of Frank Lampard.
Exactly my thoughts. He's a mini-Gazza.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
He's extremely emotionally immature and if and when he grows up, he''ll want back in.
If we made the World Cup he'd surely have regrets and I assume he'd attempt to get back into the reckoning. Right now he obviously doesn't believe we can make it. It'll be interesting if we're closing in on qualifying or a play off place to see whether he'd ask to be considered for selection.
He's only young and considering his fame and fortune I'd say he feels on top of the world, but if he has a middling career at club level 10 years down the line he may really rue this decision. But it's definitely time for us to move on without him.
I was just wondering if he was to recant and return to the Irsh Fold, how would he be accomodated into Trapps thinking, he is obviously a very attack minded midfielder, yet Trap seems to prefer the two water carriers in central midfield at the moment, Its kind of like the Andy Reid scenario except lets face Stephen Manchester is superior
I disagree with that. I think Reid is a far superior player to Ireland at present. Ireland goes missing a lot during games. I can't see it being something that Trap would put up with from a central midfielder. Plus, his defensive positioning is woeful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reality Bites
Exactly. Given Trapattoni's preferred formation and tactics for the team, I don't see how Stephen Ireland would fit in with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reality Bites