That's weird - seems to contradict Article 15 completely then. Either way, it would have to be ruled on by FIFA and we know they tend to make things up as they go along.
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That's weird - seems to contradict Article 15 completely then. Either way, it would have to be ruled on by FIFA and we know they tend to make things up as they go along.
It's not article 15, it's nr 18
and it has been ruled on.
I am quoting from the rule as it stands.
What do you think, that I make it up just to mess with your head?
Read Article 15 - it's the original ruling on eligibility and says that any player who plays in an A international is cap-tied. Article 18 is a subsequent addition that says it has to be a competitive fixture. It's probably not the first or last team FIFA's laws will contradict each other.
So what's the deal then? Is he tied to us or not? Must he play at least one second in a senior qualifier in order to be tied to us?
He is not tied Colbert. But he's not switching anyway, so just drop it.
F*ck.
:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Yes Charlie, read it a bit more carefully, article 15 tells you to move on to article 18 to see what the exceptions are to choosing another federation.
Article 15
2 With the exception of the
conditions specified in article
18 below, any Player who has
already participated in a match
(either in full or in part) in an
offi cial competition of any
category or any type of football
for one Association may not
play an international match
for a representative team of
another Association.
OK, I was wrong. You don't have to be an ass about it.
Now I am the ass? :)
Ah here, the rules are not straight forward. Bottom line, it has to be competitive, we all get it at this stage, let's talk about James McCarthy in here instead :)
The issue does relate directly to James.
The rules in this matter are not straight forward, that is why a poster's confusion is answered emphatically, otherwise the confusion easily spreads. In Charlie's case he was persistent with his confusion over a number of posts and then has a little huff.
Look, it's irritating enough to be proven wrong but it's worse when somebody insists upon being a bitch about it. From your original post on this page, it looked like you were saying I'd misquoted Article 15. My later point was that Article 18 doesn't read like an exception to Article 15, it seems to completely invalidate it. I've admitted that I was wrong, but you weren't exactly "emphatic" in your earlier posts.
Not exactly emphatic? my first reply to you was a one linerQuote:
but you weren't exactly "emphatic" in your earlier posts.
"It has to be a competitive game for him to be tied, no argument."
Should I have used block capitals, a few exclamation marks !!!!! to perfect the emphasis?
I have been here a long enough time but I have yet to perfect the skill of reading the unexpressed thoughts of a poster's thinking on any subject.
Has done well in the 1st half V Liverpool. Has tackled Gerrard well on a couple of occasions as well as creating a couple of opportunities
Reading on another thread that himself and N'Zogbia are running the show in the first half. I read a few people saying he had Gerrard in his pocket too
Gerrard not at the races at all 2nite. Liverpool have been awful
from the skysports website on tonites game....
"Man of the match: James McCarthy did all the hard work in the middle of the park - an unsung hero who is rapidly improving."
Looks like we really have a proper player on our hands
No doubt the mere 20 minutes or so in a green shirt at senior level has raised the bar and brought on his game to another level :)
Shows what 2 days in training with Keith Andrews can do for a player.
I thought he was excellent too. Liverpool were dire and Wigan midfield just dominated. He played some beautiful floated balls over the top in the first half.
Only saw a few mins in this, seemed to be playing in an advanced midfield role?? Similar to what Scholes wouldve done for united back in the day.
Isnt it nice to finally see one of our young players having a positive time? actually moving forward instead of back?Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Seems like its been forever for some reason.
Could he be the answer to our prayers in central midfield? I just hope he makes the two games in May and attends all our training camps.
Just watch the highlights of last game there, In my opinion his performance for a man meerly 19 is imense. Did you see the way he kept telling N'zogbia what to do. Hopefully he stays with the lactics for a few years because it is easy Martinez has got great belief in his abilty, but will ensure he is also protected for the media spotlight.
It least we now have a potential world class player who wants to play for us rather then a fella whod ratther represent the manks.Last night was my first time see him play a central role for wigan , from what i seen before he was on the left week. hopefull martinez has the nerve to keep him in the middle to let him grow.
This really is very positive stuff. Every report I have read has given him a great write up. I saw the first 20mins or so myself and he looked involved at least. He was giving N'Zogbia dogs abuse out by the sideline at one stage as well for not making a better angle for him to pass the ball, good sign I thought. When I heard how well he played I set the Sky+ to record the repeat of the match on ESPN this morning, I'll take a look later. He seems to get lots of blocks and tackles in as well as his passing ability. This could be vital if he's to be a Trap favourite.
Edit- just seen your point about N'Zogbia after posting Desmond, it has to be a good sign when he's almost bossing a more established player around. N'Zogbia got a great write up too to be fair.
This makes me really not understand those who were saying he should not have been capped in the Brazil game. He was outstanding, frustrated Gerrard on many occasions and looked the best midfield player on the pitch last night, bar Mascherano perhaps.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...remier-league1
From the above link:
-Diamé and McCarthy took control of their battles, the latter revelling in a contest against his boyhood hero, Gerrard, and receiving a nasty foul from behind from the England vice-captain. "The biggest compliment I can pay him is that his performance didn't surprise me," said Martínez. "He played 20 minutes against Brazil [for Ireland] and tonight against his hero, but nothing fazes him."
Saw the highlights there today and can only say the boy was fantastic looks like we might have a real gem on our hands here.
I was always of the support that he was right to stay in Scotland last season to gain more first team football and looks to be proven correct. He now getting his chance at Wigan and seems to be taking a big step towards gaining more regular first team football for rest season. He put Gerrard in his pocket last night thats for sure.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...ch-report.html
Some frustration began to seep into Liverpool hearts, Torres earning a caution for catching Diame. Gerrard followed him into the book, taking man and ball with a challenge on McCarthy. It reflected McCarthy’s – and Wigan’s – superiority on the night.
Looks like he completly outplayed Gerrard. Not bad for a 19 year old
I love it. This kid is a legend alreadyQuote:
Originally Posted by back of the net
Yes i think you could see that McCarthy has a lot of respect the way he dealt with Stevie G's tackle, imagine if that was young James who put in the Tackle on stevie G what the English press would be saying if Mr.G missed the world cup over a crazy lunge like that.I think the tackle was horrible and no matter how frustrated he was a lunge like that from an expierenced premier leauge player should not be condoned.
Also on a different topic, can we call him the young Irish man or will he aways be the young Scott.
I take back everything I said earlier in this thread about this lad. He looks like the real deal.
Wasn't a "crazy lunge" to be fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by desmondoldie
Nah, twas just a bit of frustration and he went through him a bit. No big deal really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Can only back up with what's being said the fella had a cracking game last night. Bags of energy and bursts into the box. If he continues at this rate it won't be long before Stephen Ireland is all but forgotten.
Liverpool must be kicking themselves, if they had acted earlier, they would have had Gerrard and McCarthy playing beside each other, instead of against each other
No way, Benitez would have already ruined him. I want McCarthy to stay as far away as possible from that awful man.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
There's no way he'd play him ahead of Lucas anyway!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brendan 82
Who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafa B
Actually I just seen a "slapheads eleven" in some papers website, Stephen Ireland didn't even make the bench!!
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The tackle was actually a compliment in a way, Gerrard admitting he had been outplayed.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
He's listed as Scottish on his BBC profile even though it shows his Irish appearences in his season stats. It's hard to let go :)Quote:
Originally Posted by desmondoldie