Ta Paul but before I get carried away did you forget to add a sarcastic smiley face to the end of your post?Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
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Ta Paul but before I get carried away did you forget to add a sarcastic smiley face to the end of your post?Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
No I didn't, I am singing from the same hymn sheet and having been saying the same for the last 15 or so page
For every Rooney there must be dozens of others who reached high status later in their careers. Rooney's a freak and is no benchmark for anyone. It's far more normal for creative players to peak later. Look at Zidane or Bergkamp. Also look at Owen, past his best when he was 24.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
I'm sitting on the fence as far as McGeady is concerned. He's got extraordinary feet but looks like he needs to learn the game more. This may or may not ever come, but anyone can see he's a better player than he was a year ago and hopefully he'll keep improving.
I'm bloody glad he's available for us and not Scotland.
I'm fed up with this "SPL is sh1t so anyone doing well there must be crap" nonsense. The Premiership is a top league but with players of staggeringly different levels of ability. The eLOI isn't a top class league but there are players who can clearly play at a higher level just as there are those who drag the standard down. Why not just look at the player and make a judgment?
Good point - Look at Thierry Henry...Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Fair play Stuttts a very balanced and well put forward few points. Are you the guy that settles all debates at home. You are far too reasonable for your own good. Fair play
IMO Mageady benefits more than most from playing in a below standard league. the type of player he is means he can make fools of players of a certain standard. Did ya ever play football and a guy who plays at a decent standard comes down and runs rings round everyone and then ya see him at his own standard and he isnt all that and a bag a chips? I know its not the same thing but thats the only way I would describe my mageady doubts. would love to see him do well for us tho. goes without sayingQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Feb 29th was the day women could propose to the man they loved.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
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how did you get on Neil?
:)
In fairness Puyol didn't look very bright against him, same goes for the Brazil right back and both Benfica full backs (he played against the left back in the away game and the right back in the home game).
remind me who won the brazil and barcelona matches again?
Seriously? McGeady couldn't have been that good because he was on the losing side?Quote:
Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
he cant have been that great either. you could easily just have said he is rubbish and use the Cyprus, Slovakia and Czech games as irrefutable proof.
Player with pace causes ageing defender problems. hardly shocking. tricky player causes disinterested brazilian C team problems(altho not that many as it turned out).
Wouldn't have thought 29 was old. I don't think you can claim to hold no bias tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
Lets call him pushing 30 then?:DQuote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
I dont understand your bias comment? Please explain.
Because everything about him has to be negative. Ignore the positives and just say that any average winger should be troubling Puyol. I'm certainly biased when it comes to McGeady. I want him to succeed more than a lot of Irish players.
No your a cheerleader for him. As I have said a million times before I would love for him to be good for Ireland. Hes the type of player I love to see. However he hasnt been. Can you not just accept that? There is no bias on my part. I followed him since he was just getting a game for celtic and if anything I would have been biased in favour of him doing well. But your saying he should walk into the Ireland team on the back of a freindly game against Brazil. Thats ridiculous. His good form at club level has to be tempered by the standard of league he is playing in.
I'm saying I'd have him in the team if we had a competitive tomorrow because I believe he has gotten over his confidence problems with Ireland. That wasn't an excuse I used for McGeady. I'm absolutely convinced his problems with Ireland previously were down to confidence and pressure. He was a nervous wreck in some games and couldn't play a 5 yard pass.
I actually agree with you to some extent on this one. The Irish fans seem to get on the backs of players(more so flair players) very quickly. probably due to the nature of the makeup of the support. There was obvious signs of this in his play like the example you mentioned. However in the Czech and Slovak games he actually looked like a player who didnt give a damn. Nothing to do with confidance and everything to do with attitude.
I don't know, I never watched those games back but he's really not a player that'd slack off. When he's full of confidence like the Brazil game he'll come and demand the ball, look for it. The opposite is the case when you have no confidence. Maybe that made him look lazy.
It's whats churning around on his insides that matter. He know he was cráp in those games and is determined to do himself and the team justice
Players who let their frustrations come out get sent off :)
IMO it's unfair to keep judging him on the two performances in September. They were both in the space of 4 days, so it's not as if they were two mutually exclusive performances. He played well as an impact sub in the last campaign, and considering he was relatively young during that campaign, that was probably the most we could expect from him. He was also playing under an incredibly incompetent manager who probably didn't instruct him well before kick off. It's not like he was the outstanding poor player during the campaign.
As I said earlier, we can't keep holding the September games against him. IMO he's done pretty well since then and he deserves to start in the first game of the qualifiers if he carries on his form. There's no doubt that an eventual move will benefit him and we'll be able to assess him more accurately if that happens. However, he definitely needs to impress in the upcoming qualifiers. He'll be 22 by then, and it'll be time to step up and prove his consistency. Perhaps he'll never be a world beater, but he could definitely be one of our most influential players in the years to come.
What about his form in the Champion's League? Should that be tempered too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
He was anonymous for Celtic today. And then popped up with a great cross for Samaras to score
yeah cause celtic are lighting up that!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
mc geady - the difference again today against hibs. bill name one irish player that is on fire?
Seriously? Apart from that one cross (when it was already 1-0) what did he do?Quote:
Originally Posted by BigmanCas
The mighty Hibs...slain at last...(or for the 9th time this season that is)
McGeady has 2 assists and 1 goal this season, the only Irish goalscorer in the Champion's League, that's a similar record to Hleb at Arsenal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
Just by comparison, Anderson, Giggs, Nani, Pennant, Wright-Phillips and Rosicky have yet to score in the CL this season, and out of that group only Nani has any assists.
More tiresome repetitive sarcasm about McGeady, SPL.
Is that all you have to offer Bill?
Nothing but the same old story from Bill..... Mc Geady was excellent in the second half and Hibs had 2 men on him for the full 90 minsQuote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Ive made some valid points. You choose to ignore them as you dont want anything to disturb your little celtic dream world. Is that all you have to contribute?Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
2 assist and one goal in 7 games. Are you telling me thats the kind of form that should have him as a definite starter for Ireland? your deluded. altho par for the course in your posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Oh so hes gone from being brilliant today against Hibs to being excellent in the second half? another poster has already said he did nothing the whole game. Mmmmmmmmmmm who to beleive.........:DQuote:
Originally Posted by BigmanCas
Bill you're the one that's deluded if you don't think mcgeady's form this season warrants a starting place in the side.
I'm going to agree with Bill on this, to some extent. You can't judge McGeady's ability in an average league against poor opposition. Champions League is different, but a lot of players up their game in these matches, especially Celtic players at home. I think Aiden will be a good player for Ireland but until he leaves the SPL you really can't rate him as international class, it's as simple as that.
Are you telling me that you wouldn't have any of the other players I listed in the Ireland team? McGeady's form in the Champions' League is better than each of theirs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
And attack the post, not the poster.
Far from anonymous but absolutely rubbish in the first half. Much better 2nd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
He was poor today. Hibs played really well for 60 minutes, they pressed hard, had two men on McGeady, the RB (name like gattuso but spelt differently) played very well against him. Pitch wasnt great either for dribbling.
In fact he did some pretty good defensive work as it was necessary - he is capable of it despite what you might read!!
Came into it more in the 2nd half, actually managed to have a few runs at their defence and created the all important 2nd goal with a fabulous cross (almost identical to the one he set up for Samaras on Weds). Another Assist.
This thread goes round and round in circles. People saing he plays in the SPL so cannot be even considered International class. I dont think we have anyone, barring Given and on occasion Duff/Keane who can be considered International class, so what does that make the EPL? Would Gazza, Laudrup, Larrson be considered International class? As Stutt says judge the player.
Can someone just post McGeadys Ireland Stats? Starts, Sub Appearances, Minutes played etc... Unless my mind is deceiving me he really hasnt had that many opportunities to get to grips with international football as yet and as Ive said many a time before, Duff took an absolute age to do anything for us other than run around like a headless chicken. Yes he played poorly in September but jesus didnt the whole fcuking team? When he has 20 senior starts under his belt, Id like to think we will be seeing what hes capable of on a more consistent basis for Ireland.
International Stats: http://www.soccerscene.ie/sssenior/player.php?id=35Quote:
Originally Posted by Junior
Club stats: http://www.chatsoccer.net/irishabroa...5&seasonID=137
Jeepers creepers, such a thread.
Don't know where to start.
BigManCas, I don't know how you can be such a big McGeady fan when you say you don't support Celtic. From that I take it you watch the odd away game on Setanta, CL games, his few Ireland games etc? Your posting style of hailing him as the best thing since sliced bread seems to antagonise the posters who have only seen him for Ireland when he was sh1t. Then they in turn are exaggerating as much as you but in the other direction.
The exaggeration on this thread is ridiculous. That 'wayne rooney benchmark' post I was going to pull up but was already highlighted well by another poster. It reminds me of one by paul o shea before the barca game 'ok if he gets MOTM tonight i'll admit I was hard on him'. HaHAAAA.
Youngirish - 'one or two good CL games in about 20' . Good lad. Utter rubbish. I'm no statto but I know its a damn sight more than that.
Dodge - 'anon today apart from cross for goal'. Far from anon mate. Like the team he struggled in 1st half with wind, bumpy pitch, physical hibs. Still showed for and saw plenty of the ball even if his control let him down a bit. He had an all round good second half. Far from anonymous.
And someone mentioned 'oh but the cross for the goal came at one nil'. Hibs were hardly down and out, it was a hard fought game and is that not what good players do - turn the screw and extend your lead while on top for a period???
Seems the posters who don't watch him regularly want to have a cut at those who do by harping on about how he's not world class yet(no says he is or even will be) and he's playing in a gash league. A lot of these are LOI fans too going by avatars. If the SPL is so gash what about the one you follow? Do you even like the football you go to watch or is it just an exclusivity thing?
Stuttgart has a balanced view on things as I believe he actually watches a lot of the games the player in question plays in. For interested neutrals I'd take his view before those who can't forget Brat/Prague.
Great post bottle of tonic ruined by your dig at Eircom League fans.r
So he has had 5 competitive starts and 5 competitive sub appearances. God knows how many minutes playing time for Ireland that is, but it isnt that much. In a period when as a team we have been ****e, its a lot of pressure to expect a newcomer to come in a set the standard, which judging by the negative comments on here, he would need to do.
Geysir, I appreciate plenty on this thread do appreciate what he will bring to the team in the future!!!
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Originally Posted by Bottle of Tonic
Lads its an Ireland forum. So you get views based on his appearances for Ireland. They havent been much cop up til now. Seems like none of the Celtic fans can accept that at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Junior
I would not class myself as an Eircom League supporter. I am an Ireland supporter if that helps you pigeonhole me . And in answer to your questions...no I dont like the football I go to see unfortunately:( and its not an exclusivity thing(tho when I hear some of the comments at matches :rolleyes:I sometimes wish it was;))