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Diggs, play nice. You're both entitled to your opinions without throwing jibes. People can judge the opinions for themselves.
Very serious accusations from a woman that if untrue would most probably result in a libel case, that never happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by weldoninhio
Defending a man who threatened a woman with a knife is an odd stance to take, but unsurprising from you I must say
RLP, same comment. Your argument stands by itself - personally I tend to agree with it - but that last clause is unnecessary and too personal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
I don't want to have to cut off this line of discussion, because Lennon is - to some people's dissatisfaction - on topic for the thread, but if it continues to be as aggressive, it will become necessary for the mods to intervene.
I suppose the flip side of that argument, to play devil's advocate, is that equally there was never a conviction or anything further than a tabloid story so far as I can see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Reading the article, I don't think it's correct to say he threatened a woman with a knife either. He passed a comment that something could happen - which is a pretty ****ty thing to say, but it's not quite the same as actually taking up a knife against someone.
Given he apologised for the comments and paid her £10k, I don't think weldoninho is correct to say it was just "the waffling of a scorned woman" either.
Look its been common knowledge for years that Lennon has plenty of off the field activities that make him unsuitable to be the manager of our national team.
That's as maybe (yet it was never a problem with Roy Keane was on the coaching panel), but it's no reason to exaggerate accusations against him in fairness.
Somewhere in between the two sides there's a balanced position and in the era of social media and clickbait news, I think we should all be conscious of trying to get there.
I'm pretty sure hes the guy who ran away and left his wife for a young wan.
There ~ But for the grace of god, go any of us (wink)Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Does Keane have similar accusations against him? On field activities more of a problem there I'd have thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Im warming to the idea of Keane tbh. At least the interviews would be watchable even if the football wasn't.
Roy Keane would probably be a circus ~ ~ But probably a reasonably well watched circus ~ ~ Money generator ~ ~ Sometimes, hide behind the sofa ~ ~ Watch through fingers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ontheotherhand
It probably wouldn't last more than 18 months ~ ~ Maybe then a good quality manager might be available. OK, 18 months of purgatory for real soccer fans, but ya can't always get what you want !
Well I'm referring to weldoninho's links on the last page where he was twice previously arrested and charged with assault. I don't think anything came of those either, so the point would be that yeah, there is a similar enough accusation against him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ontheotherhand
If its a budget issue then I don't see any blame here for Fai. They have financial issues and huge scrutiny on their governance so if its not financially viable they have no option but to try and negotiate and be prepared to move on. That's the accountability people wanted from the new fai. You can't just spend money you don't have in the hope that it will bring successQuote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Ah apologies, I thought you were talking about the knife incident.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I wonder has the delay been so that they can get the Revolut deal over the line which might give them extra funds to use for this.Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
Its the hope that kills you!
Dan mcd’s newsletter:
Dear reader,
It seems appropriate to start the first newsletter of 2024 by quoting the final sentence from the 2023 farewell in December.
The subject was the early wave of betting driven speculation around the Ireland job.
“Let’s hope the circus has moved onto something else by the time this newsletter returns in February,” was the optimistic sign-off.
It’s the hope that kills you.
Jonathan Hill promised last week that there would be announcement overshadowing the League of Ireland launch – although the extent to which the FAI are in control of any timelines here is open to debate.
Pundit talk has replaced paper talk this week – with Shay Given emerging as an unlikely news source with a definitive take on Lee Carsley’s intentions.
For what it’s worth, there are other ex-teammates of Carsley who haven’t given up on the prospect of his appointment and my belief is that negotiations are ongoing but it appears safe to assume that there’ll be time to return to the circus next week.
I guess the difference between Keane and Lennon is that Keane responded to that incident by cutting out the booze and cleaning up his act. He's spoken many times about how that night was a turning point in his career and his life.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/.../26243156.html
I wouldn't be a massive fan of appointing Roy Keane tbh, but he's obviously not the man he was in the 1990s. With Lennon it's far from clear that he's done the same.
http://www.thesun.ie/sport/12216989/...-hill-manager/
I know it's the sun but it's detailed like it's not made up
If that was the case - why did Lennon issue an apology saying that he was "very sorry for his actions" (ignoring the fact that the woman had a recording of him talking about the threat and that there is clear evidence of Lennon's associates, his lawyers, his PR company and the cops attempting to intimidate her).Quote:
Originally Posted by weldoninhio
Lennon (and those who hang around with him) has a record of aggressive behaviour - towards at least one woman that we know of - towards players to the point that after one particularly aggressive altercation at a squad meeting led to him having to resign from his job.
Lennon has spoken about having mental health issues - but these are not an excuse for such behaviour. Drinking alcohol to excess does not help with mental health issues or issues of aggression - and these accusations have been in the background for many, many years.
What clubs owned by oligarchs do is their own business - but the FAI is, in part, funded by government money (i.e. our money) and there is no way that they should be appointing someone with a record of threats against a woman or such an aggressive attitude towards players.
Lennon is know for his aggression and when he is in a relationship with a woman who is then telling him that she will tell his long-term partner, saying 'someone could put a knife to your throat' is pretty clear in its intent. In a relationship with an unbalanced power dynamic (a 45 year-old man in a high-profile job and a woman more than 20 years his junior) even the most subtle of comments can be threats - and this was not a subtle comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
His 'apology' was not a fulsome apology - it was a wording designed to allow Bolton to avoid sacking him - it was not made to the woman in question, but to the media to try and redeem his reputation.
Last point - Lennon never paid her any money - he sent his PR company to her to offer her money in return for her signing an NDA and deleting all communication, messages, and photos from her phone. She refused to accept the money - and this intervention by the PR company prompted the woman to meet with Lennon's long-term partner. When Lennon found out she was talking to his partner (he phoned the woman he had threatened while she was there) he headed straight to the Greater Manchester Police reporting that the woman was attempting to blackmail him, knowing full well that the basis of any blackmail was unfounded because she had already told his partner what had happened and that the evidence actually proved the opposite.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soc...ivhq1VeIpluR50
Lennon says he doesn't know FAI decision, but it will come in next few days
Well, that's not ominous at all. :eek:
He's saying he doesn't know at least, you'd think if it's announced in next couple days they have agreement with someone.... I'm staying positive until I can't :DQuote:
Originally Posted by John83
the fact that Lee carsley himself has never said no I'm out, I'm happy with the FA
Means there is some hope. My not just pull out if your gone your gone
What ? What did you just try to say Diggsy ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
Typo ! Smarty pants !Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
Why not my
Noted in RTE article that FAI reps are due before the Oireachtas next week. If Lennon, they presumably will want that to have come and gone.
It doesn't stop at that though Diggsy mon frere, sadly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
I assume you meant to convey if the man is out he should say so, which would be if you are out you are out & thus requiring you're & not your.
We come on here to enjoy certain standards of written discourse & to avoid social media levels of content, and although we still await a full paragraph from you on any matter, might you at least manage to formulate correct sentences meanwhile ?
Crafty my darling ClementineQuote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
I thought we'd kissed and made up. Obviously not.
You helped and supported the downfall of our national team. At no stage, until it was too late did you man up and say. " I was wrong" or "Stephen Kenny was actually not qualified for the job"
Look at your sign off! your actually an embarrassment.
Your criticism is about the length of my posts or my standard of English. Meanwhile we are currently three places behind Burkina Faso in the world rankings. What are we doing this summer, going to Germany? No. I'm going to camping in France with my in-laws and I'm actually blaming you and the other morons that made the Kenny nightmare a reality.
Bit touchy there ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
At least you haven't overreacted ( I must point out at this juncture that was sarcasm ) because you clearly missed the sarcasm in my signature in a very hilariously entertaining way. Brilliant. Don't go changing now, you hear me ?
A full paragraph though, kudos for the smidge of personal growth there. Credit where it is due. ( sarcasm again there )
Again, one last time, you are = you're.
PS, Burkina Faso are half decent these days, no shame in it.
I feel like all Diggsys upset with having to go camping with the In Laws just came out in full force and got directed at poor Crafty... feckin hope it doesn't rain in the campsite now to top it off or we'll all get it!!
Not only will it rain, he'll probably pitch the tent in a storm drain runoff and as he is washed way in his knickers he'll shout, f u c k youuuu Stephen Kenny may you burn in hell for this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Man, we really are starved for news on this. Thread's gone, Jeff.
If we don't hear something by next week John we'll be discussing the merits of Bill Lacey vs The Selection Committee
Could Lennon be trying to force a decision in his favour?
Holding a metaphorical knife to the FAIs throats?Quote:
Originally Posted by samhaydenjr
Get a room you twoQuote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
Have a foot.ie Baby.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
No piece from Rowan in the Times today. Must not have had a sniff worth taking a little time of out of his holidays to report.
Shirley ~ ~ If there was an imminent appointment ~ There would be some leaks.
FAI taking its sweet time. There's matches coming up soon and the nation can't hold its breath much longer... we've things to do.