Sounds more like, tall for his weight ~ Lurch, perhaps ? !Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
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Sounds more like, tall for his weight ~ Lurch, perhaps ? !Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
If anything, he seems to be slightly slow with his diving. Especially, it seems to take him that fraction of a second longer to get down to low shots.
Maybe that's being too upright, or having poor footwork meaning that he needs that extra fraction to sort his feet out, I don't know.
Can some post good video footage of the performance ? I haven't really seen the best quality of video to make good assessments.
All the goals are here Seanfhear if that helpsQuote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
They get worse every time I watch them!
Probably a bit to much movement to Kelleher's right for the first goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by sadloserkid
2nd ~ looks like it went through him and maybe that was one to try to save with his feet.
3rd ~ no one is saving that when the defence lets a player at this level do as he pleases.
4th ~ maybe a bit too much to his right.
Anyway it was like an exhibition friendly where both sides agree to let the defenders have a day off.
Mad game ~ When defenders take the day off ~ It never looks good for goalkeepers.
They go in every time. It's as if you don't get a second chance ! ! ! !Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
I think its unrelaistic to think he will get a premier league move
He really shoudl think aboiut Italy or the like
becuase if he stays in England its a champsionship move at best
Given some of the commentary, I was almost surprised when viewing that the highlights didn't show Kelleher throwing the ball into his own net over and over again. Certainly I think he got down too slowly for the second, perhaps exposing a goalkeeper suffering from a lack of regular first team football and therefore match-sharpness. But I've thought the same of Bazunu on several occasions during the past season, who has no such excuse.
Beyond that, if Kelleher weren't Irish and I wasn't therefore overly scrutinising his performance, I don't think I would have particularly thought about the goalkeeper's role in any of the other three goals.
I think we're probably overscrutinising all our goalkeepers' performances. I too was expecting to see calamities rather than "maybe could do better" moments. But there was a clear Kelleher being at Liverpool surely must be a better option than an out of form Bazunu feeling from some posters here and I think that argument holds little water now. We have 3 (or more) keepers whose A games are top notch but are for various reasons inconsistent or performing below their best. I think they're each as likely as the other to play really well and each as likely as the other to slip up in some way. My personal preference remains Bazunu.
No, upright, solid backbone.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
If Kelleher decides to hang on for another year at Anfield, his successor as No. 2 goalkeeper may already be on the books, thereby facilitating the Corkman's departure. Former Pat's keeper Vít?zslav Jaroš "has been catching the eye at the U21 Euros".
https://www.liverpool.com/liverpool-...ament-27208959
Linked with a move to Wolves.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...t-Jose-Sa.html
Just for some context, from fbref.com, goalkeepers who played at least 1,000 minutes in first tier sides in Italy, Spain, France and Germany in 2022/23
(R = relegated):
Carnesecchi, 23, Cremonese (R); Di Gregorio, 25, Monza; Dragowski, 25, Spezia (R);
Mamardashvili, 22, Valencia; Vilar, 25, Celta de Vigo;
Chevalier, 21, Lille; Diouf, 23, Reims; Donnarumma, 24, PSG; Lafont, 24, Nantes;
Muller, 25, Stuttgart; Kobel, 25, Dortmund; Christensen, 24, Hertha Berlin (R);
Burnley have just signed James Trafford from City for 19 million. This has been my fear for Kelleher, you can only be the hot young prospect so long before other younger guys start coming through and if you're not making progress you get left behind very quickly.
Kelleher is going to be 25 years old this November, thats only 2 or 3 years younger than Kieran O'Hara who was once seen as a decent prospect at Man United.
I hope he has something lined up, another season as a back up would be a disaster.
Trafford's 20, and will be 21 in October, and has had two loan spells at Bolton, and another with Accrington Stanley. Last season alone, he played more than twice the number of games(52) than Kelleher, has in his career to date(22).
Yep, theres only so long training under a great goalkeeper with a great coaching staff can be used as a positive. A 24/25 year old is far too old to have played so little football and still be expected to be a top playerQuote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Doesn't seem to be overwhelmed by offers. Season starts in 10 days.
Kelleher not going anywhere, according to RousingThe Kop (3 August). The Swede Leopold Wahlstedt (24), who was being considered as Kelleher's replacement as Liverpool's no. 2, is going to Blackburn or Brondby, not Anfield.Quote:
Originally Posted by weldoninhio
Club agree to sell 24-year-old, after claims Liverpool wanted him to replace 'outstanding' player (rousingthekop.com)
I wonder is there a known record for least number of senior club appearances by an international keeper by the age of 25 - if so, Kelleher must be closing in on it.
I'd say there was more chance of Kelleher leaving than Leopold Wahlstedt being considered by Liverpool. If they ever had any intention of letting Kelleher leave this season I don't think they would have kept Adrian on.
More so if they were gonna bring in an outside replacement. They likely need Kelleher to fill the homegrown quota and teams are only allowed 17 non home grown players and Adrian takes up one of those spots. Don't think they would have wanted two keepers taking up spots.
Could always promote from within and that Keeper could well cover the homegrown spot but this late in the window I doubt it as most teams would already have their keepers sorted with the season soon.
Yeah, from people I’d actually trust, they really wanted Verbruggen from Anderlecht - who is young enough not to need to be registered this season. But he ended up going to Brighton to be first choice there.Quote:
Originally Posted by JR89
Then they were interested in getting Zieler across from Germany to replace Adrian because he counts as homegrown due to his academy background with United, but he wasn’t keen.
They’re a bit ****ed with homegrown players having lost Henderson, Milner, Oxlade-Chamberlain, with Phillips likely to leave. So they just have 4 left out of a possible 8 (Gomez, Trent, Jones, Kelleher). Which basically gives them a senior squad (2001 or later) of 21 players.
Don't think they'll be allowing him to leave, which is within their right since he's under contract and Klopp seems to really rate him. Not for good for Kelleher but every top club needs a quality back up, Ionut Radu cost Inter Milan the title to AC a few years back, don't think Liverpool would be comfortable with Adrian as number 2.
Kelleher seems to be trapped by the price tag Liverpool have put on him. Forest have signed Matt Turner (Arsenal, 22 caps for the USA) for £7m plus potential add-ons of £3m.
https://www.thisisanfield.com/2023/0...-selling-no-1/
A combination of that and his lack of senior football experience I think. He's paying the price now for not getting even a single season out on loan a few years ago to build up his experience.
Its actually odd that he didnt even go on loan for half a season. Im trying to think of high level goalkeepers who were #2s at big clubs for long time before stepping on to be top class and I can only really think of Martinez at Villa off the top of my head, but even he had multiple loans while he was at Arsenal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
Kelleher situation is just strange.
Have Liverpool treated Kelleher correctly ( career wise ) over the years = = Tis a very very debatable question.
But its up to the player himself to force the issue if he's not getting opportunities,if he really wanted to go somewhere he'd be gone,that he hasnt even gone on loan would have me question whether he's maybe just happy enough to be in the situation he's in.....
There has to be legitimate conversations soon about O'Leary taking Kellehers place in Ireland squad if the situation continues. Bazunu, Travers, and O'Leary playing regularly in Championship while Kelleher gets 3 or 4 cup games again is unsustainable for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by joey B
O'Leary isn't particularly good though, he is seen as one of the weakest first team players at Bristol City. Kelleher is almost certainly a much better keeper, albeit he doesn't play much.
While I'd much rather see him going out and playing, even in the Championship or Scotland or wherever, I don't think it would be right to drop him for a weaker keeper either.
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Originally Posted by Razors left peg
That's a really flawed argument. If he stays at Liverpool and remains their No2 then it's because Klopp is confident he can step in for Alison whenever and do a job in the highest calibre league in World football for one of its leading teams. So by what different and superior criteria should Kenny decide, he's not good enough to deputise for Bazunu? Maybe Klopp should demote him and buy O'Leary as his number 2?
Hes a footballer, a footballer should at some point of his career play football if he wants to be considered for international footballQuote:
Originally Posted by third policeman
He'd be third choice for me. I think he has by and large been unconvincing bordering on poor in his Ireland appearances. His complete lack of games is not going to help win hearts and minds, I'd say only those with a strong bias would back him over Gav.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
There's not playing and there is not playing and he is not playing.
Actually we're just coming into the peak playing season for Caoimhin now. He'll get a Carabao Cup game in September, possibly another one in October and, at a push, a quarter final before Christmas. He might even get a dead rubber Europa League game if he's lucky.
Im not saying he should be dropped for the September games but the conversation is approaching at some point this season I think. Especially if O'Leary becomes part of a playoff push for Bristol and is playing well. I've honestly not seen enough of O'Leary to know if hes any good, but if hes playing for a good Championship team each week then he must be ok.
The logic of Kelleher is a back up to a good goalkeeper at a good club runs out after a while. At 25 years old any footballer needs to know if he can actually handle playing each week. Theres a sharpness that comes from playing games regularly that Kelleher wont develop.
i understand why they want to keep him (issues around quantity of homegrown players, no competitive bids, availability of quality replacement). i think had they been able to get verbruggen to sign, they'd have sold Kelleher, but once he was offered first team football at brighton, he went there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
if i was klopp, i'd play kelleher in everything bar the league. europa league, caribao cup, fa cup. and reassess before the january deadline. europa league is a bit of poisoned chalice with thursday-sunday games a real struggle, for whatever reason. i'd let the second string lads play the europa league and keep everyone else fresh
Kelleher could turn out to be the best Keeper that hardly ever played.
This is the most important point. When called apon for Ireland he has been average. If he wasn't playing for Liverpool and still brilliant for us, then it's a conversation. But he's not been good for usQuote:
Originally Posted by zero
Third choice for me
Im old fashioned, I like players to actually play at some point in their career, crazy idea I know!Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear