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But who is Rob Brennan and his London-provenance is irrelevant. I agree with what you say about Keane being badgered but I think that most of us on here are siding with Keane v the press. Some of the stuff that as said to MON yesterday was unreal. I honestly believe Keane was right to say everything he said.
So you believe he is right what he said about Martinez, McCarthy and Everton?
Personally I would take Kenes honesty over O'Neills conditional subtlety every day of the week when it comes to what's really going on.
What opinion did he even state though? What he said was pretty innocuous as far as I can recall, that knowing Jack's father a decision won't be quick.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
There's no point in sugar coating the JG situation. If Keane wants to comment on it in such mild terms then it's no big deal. If he was to say that it's a disgrace that he can't commit or an act of treachery to walk out on Ireland having played for them for years then that would be ill advised, for sure, but not what (I think) he said.
I think there's a place for both.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
I am not on about place hence the use of the words to descibe O'Neill. I think keane would give a more honest insight into what's going on, but with obviously his own agenda somewhat.
O'Neill would be far more measured and less definitive wrt to being political and astute for the sake of steadying the ship and keeping it from rocky waters.
I thought Keane was just being sarcastic about the Everton players and miracles. Keane's sarcasm is his humour, not to be taken too literally.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
Then again I'm not Kenright, who blew his 1amp indignation fuse in defence of the club and his Saint Roberto, who apparently partakes in holy communion 3 times daily.
Brennan is a journalist/writer with the Irish Post.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
What further light did Roy's "honesty" shed on the situation exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
I wasnt overly concerned about O'Neill bringing in mainly the same faces with the addition of christie and mcgoldrick the last day, he seemed very impressed with what he had seen of christie before bringing him in. I think O'Neill has been justified with his squad here, and the questions about new faces have been answered, as he said thats what they have been trying to do, to add quality to the squad. He has done that by the looks of it without giving younger lads a chance who may not add the quality he refers to immediately.
I sometimes think a leftfield selection like this for a competitive game could work wonders, its a bit high risk though, but then you have the regulars coming in when the opposition are tired and wanting to prove themselves, as Shane Long and McGeady did yesterday and you also get the newbies playing without any fear. I think the usa tired yesterday and perhaps these players hadnt full match sharpness/fitness playing in their respective leagues but we finished very strong when the more experienced players came on.
Rhetorical Danny. It's clear from the tweet. I was querying why I should care what the likes of him or say Ger Keville or say Paul O'Shea have to say.
Presumably to hear a different view?
But there are so many views out there from more reliable and well-versed sources that I find it odd that TOWK singled out Rob Brennan as someone with an alternative viewpoint.
Listened to Second Captain's podcast. Ken Early said the comment about Grealish's dad was very off the cuff and said in a jokey way.
He said the journos were all very surprised at Keane losing the rag the way he did though later on
So the way it happened is that they were 2 different incidents according to Ken and that his outburst was not to do with Grealish at all.
The transcribed outburst didn't involve Grealish, it was just on getting asked if he/his actions were a "distraction". That's when he lost the rag.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
I thought Brennan's perspective, and skepticism, was interesting considering he is a member of the diaspora.
And I'm not the first person to post a link to one of his tweets so I'm not sure why there is consternation now.
Sorry. Yes duh. I didn't really connect the whole thing in my head I'm shattered.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
Yes we are all foaming at the mouth with apoplexy.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
I criticised the tweet as it really adds nothing in my opinion.
I'm pretty exasperated with the JG situation but that's it. Just fed up with it constantly distracting us like I was with McCarthy back in the day. Rob Brennan's position merely reflects that a good lot think. That he is a member of the diaspora is irrelevant and he has no extra right to comment on the situation.
I don't recall his tweets popping up before. Not that that's important.
His opinion adds nothing, much like Grealish would add nothing to the team at this present moment in time. So why do journalists keep bringing him up in press conferences?
They should go on Facebook and ask his father or ask Jack on one of his Twitter accounts.
Enough of this!
It's common sense to decipher that he is not going to make a decision on what country he plays for until after the England game, at the earliest.
It's a pointless exercise bringing him up in the meantime.
And also an infractional offence.
So Grealish wouldn't add anything to the U21s? Have you ever heard of planning for the future? It is something most coaches do, hence journalists asking questions about him. And I haven't heard you whinge about the impact that Christie and McGoldrick's inclusion had on team morale? You really know nothing about people and motivations, you just spout out of touch opinions on nationality and eligibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Hi, gastric.
I was referring to the senior team, not the U-21 team, but Grealish has declined successive invitations to link up with the U-21's. Noel King and Martin O'Neill have invited him to link up with their respective squads. As Roy Keane said, you can't really force the issue after that. If he wants to focus on getting a new contract over the line and breaking into the Villa team that's his prerogative. There is no need to keep asking the manager & assistant redundant questions.
I don't understand what you mean when you bring up Christie & McGoldrick. I do know about Christie & McGoldrick's motivations. It's pretty simple. They want to play International football. McGoldrick is on record as being very eager to play for Ireland and productive about getting the required paperwork over the line. Christie has outright said that he chose to declare for Ireland because he is more likely to get first team football than he would if he declared for England; he also said that there aren't many players ahead of him. And he has come from League One football to starting an Intl. game in the space of 3 months. So he's probably thinking he has made the right decision already.
Whatever about his lack of affinity for Ireland, his honesty and transparency is refreshing, and he did at least ease a few doubts over his ability with his performance on Tuesday.
You asked why journalists keep talking about him in press conferences and I gave you an answer, he is a potential superstar of the future, that's why journalists ask these questions! It is not as simplistic as saying he won't play for the senior team now, therefore they can't ask questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Secondly, it is interesting how you seem to have forgotten your recent comments too about how the inclusion of Christie and McGoldrick would affect team morale and how Doherty statistically was a much better player than Christie. You seem to have changed your tune now about Christie and you seem to have conveniently forgot the team morale statement you recently made.
I'm not saying he won't play for the senior team. I'm saying as long as he is undecided as to what country he wants to play for, there is no point in asking redundant questions. And yes he's a potential superstar of the future. He hasn't started a game at a level higher than League One and Paul Lambert doesn't even judge him to be good enough to get in a squad of 18 yet so that's all up in the air at the moment.
Did I say Christie & McGoldrick would upset morale? I didn't say Doherty was statistically a much better player than Christie. I said he was more experienced at PL, Championship and International level and was in form at one of the best Championship teams. He also didn't need to go through the rigmarole of acquiring a passport so I thought he would be a more prudent option.
I haven't changed my tune. I don't change my tune based on one solitary friendly. Christie did have a blinder of a game but it was one game. It's too early to say he should be a bonafide starter at LB or competing with Coleman for a start.
Well, not to big up Grealish as obviously he hasn't set the league alight, but his omission has coincided with Villa's winless run/losing streak. I'd say if Villa were doing better he'd have had more chances, but managers tend to become more conservative when results are going the wrong way and young players tend to get fewer chances (or if they do they're tossed into the first team in desperation). It was the same with McClean at Sunderland.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
https://twitter.com/jackgrealish1Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
I just notice he wrote "your going to get judged" when of course we all know, it should be "you're going get judged", not that I am one to judge :)
And what about wether in your post above?;) Definitely not one to judge Tricky!Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
And now you are lying. You attacked these players as you believed they would affect team morale and yes you used some rubbishy stats to promote your view that Doherty should play before Christie. Please don't be economical or pedantic with the truth. If I had the time I would find the quotes and repost them.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
O'Neill saying that 352 is a possibility for the home games to get our best players on the pitch together
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/socc...2007779?page=2
So MON's still having a think about things. After a year in charge.
I'm lying am I? I'm posting rubbish am I?Quote:
Originally Posted by gastric
I stated several reasons - an opinion - on why Doherty should be in the squad ahead of Christie.
You probably can't find the quotes because they are all in your head. I didn't attack anyone or say anything about team morale.
The people whose morale is affected are probably not even in the squad. I know Doherty wasn't happy; he tweeted so much. I can't imagine other players are delighted to be named in extended squads and then dropped for players who weren't even named in the original squad.
Park Life.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
More like Deja vu. Revisited.
But who even says he has a lack of affinity? He's been to Ireland in his youth; it's part of his heritage and he's now embracing it. Just because he mentioned the greater likelihood of getting a game for Ireland as being a motivating factor in his decision, doesn't mean it was the only factor that motivated him to the exclusion of all other possible factors. If you're being truly genuine in what you're posting, you need to do some serious work on your logical reasoning. You surely realise what you're doing?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Isn't that better than the same-old we saw under Trap?Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
The performance wasn't there, but Scotland showed MON can show some imagination in selection and is willing to make picks on a match-to-match basis. I'd rather have that combined with an overall footballing aesthetic, than just a bog-standard, easy to work out system.
Only the elite in international football can pick the same team, the same way for every game and expect to do well.
In Roy's world, being accused of being a 'distraction' is akin to be accused of 'faking it'.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
The journalists took their insults on the chin, the truth (being called liars and fabulists) didn't faze them at all.
Adaptability and flexibility are desirable but what exactly are we adapting from? Trapattoni's strength was our defined game plan, players knew their roles and what was expected of them. His failing was an inability to adapt and to evolve his game plan. There was no plan B so to speak. There is a sense we are rudderless under MON, that we don't have a plan A to build on.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
I disagree. It's hasn't come off all the time so far, but I can see more purposeful play under O'Neill than we did over the last couple of years under Trapattoni. We play it a bit more on the deck, even if we often revert to type and give it a hoof (ie against Scotland).Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
I'd like to see that develop into a more tangible brand of identity but I don't think it's unfair for a manager to still be working on that. As I said, only elite teams can do this quickly unless they go for the rigid Trapattoni special.
For now, I'll take the uncertainty of MONs flexible approach.
I am a pragmatist and a realist.
I don't equate acquiring a passport to become eligible to play competitive Intl. football with embracing your heritage or having an affinity to the country you declare for.
I am sure Deco, Emmanuel Olisadebe and Eduardo had an affinity with Portugal, Poland and Croatia after they declared but it doesn't have much to do with what I'm saying TBCH.
Anyways, I appreciate Christie's honesty in a way. And on the basis of that one game, he has potential.
How times change! I remember Zat Knight saying virtually the same thing as Christie and people were firmly against his call up; this was ten odd years ago.
You remember that as a 9 year old? Fair dues.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Well, whatever might or might not constitute an affinity with Ireland for you - who are you to dictate anyway? - it's unfair for you to so presumptuously dismiss the notion that Christie might have such an affinity and an appreciation for his Irish heritage when you don't even know the guy and have heard wind of a grand total of one or two interviews with him. Why do you think it's reasonable to jump to such conclusions? Even if he did have f*ck all affinity for Ireland, you don't have enough information available to you to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
So what are you saying? As a pragmatist?Quote:
I am sure Deco, Emmanuel Olisadebe and Eduardo had an affinity with Portugal, Poland and Croatia after they declared but it doesn't have much to do with what I'm saying TBCH.
But Knight never declared. He spent his career wavering, didn't he? Christie made his decision quickly and is committed to us. That has to count for something.Quote:
How times change! I remember Zat Knight saying virtually the same thing as Christie and people were firmly against his call up; this was ten odd years ago.
There is no requirement to "embracing your heritage or have an affinity" with any particular country,Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
all that is required is to be eligible under the rules, and there is nothing in the rules about either.
Indeed to slightly contradict my self there, he is embracing his heritage by declaring for
the country of his ancestors, so all you are left with is "having an affinity" and I might have
an affinity with India due to a love of chicken vindaloo, but should that be enough to make
me eligible?