Airtiricity League XI v Manchester United confirmed for Aviva Stadium on August 4

Last nights match gave the LOI players a chance to play against one of the best teams in World Football. This forum is always on about the league players not getting enough recognition especially at National level and yet when they get this opportunity all this forum does is slate it!
As for the result, what other result did people expect?? The standard of LOI football is crap! You pay €20 into a LOI game, there is little or no atmosphere, the standard of football is poor, and most of the crowd spend the game moaning about everything to do with the game! So where is the appeal??? Last nights match was not going to get the "barstoolers" as this forum likes to put it, out on Friday night!
The EPL has the appeal that is why people travel over to games and support the team they follow in the pub, its enjoyment! :o People like to spend their hard earned on things they enjoy!

Beating Bray tomorrow is all that matters.
Great post One Red Army.

I wouldn't give that DugOut bloke the satisfaction lads...WUM.

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Originally Posted by Dugout

You pay €20 into a LOI game, there is little or no atmosphere, the standard of football is poor, and most of the crowd spend the game moaning about everything to do with the game!

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As compared to the Premiership, where you pay E300 into a game (once you buy the over-priced travel packages), there is little or no atmosphere (last night perfect evidence of that), the standard of football is merely ok for most of it (better players doesn't make for better games, as the World Cup and the CL final showed, to cite just the two most obvious examples) and most of the crowd spend the game moaning about everything to do with the game?

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Originally Posted by Dugout

Last nights match gave the LOI players a chance to play against one of the best teams in World Football. This forum is always on about the league players not getting enough recognition especially at National level and yet when they get this opportunity all this forum does is slate it!
As for the result, what other result did people expect?? The standard of LOI football is crap! You pay €20 into a LOI game, there is little or no atmosphere, the standard of football is poor, and most of the crowd spend the game moaning about everything to do with the game! So where is the appeal??? Last nights match was not going to get the "barstoolers" as this forum likes to put it, out on Friday night!
The EPL has the appeal that is why people travel over to games and support the team they follow in the pub, its enjoyment! :o People like to spend their hard earned on things they enjoy!

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I would agree.

You can coat the event with blame for the FAI or the "barstoolers" or the team not being uncoordinated due to not playing together or whatever you like. The reality is this, that Man Utd side is in pre-season, many of that team returned from their holidays only 6 days ago. All of those players should have had a huge fitness advantage over Man Utd. This was also a Man Utd side that lost to a Mexican club side days before, they were not in flying form or any such.
The mistake for the first goal was inexcusable, as was the lad celebrating when he scored when they were still 5 goals behind.

If the league wanted respect out of that they have nobody but themselves to blame for cocking it up. And they hurt their league big-time last night, not the FAI, not the Irish people. They, the players did.

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

As compared to the Premiership, where you pay E300 into a game (once you buy the over-priced travel packages), there is little or no atmosphere (last night perfect evidence of that), the standard of football is merely ok for most of it (better players doesn't make for better games, as the World Cup and the CL final showed, to cite just the two most obvious examples) and most of the crowd spend the game moaning about everything to do with the game?

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Premiership is gash. I wouldn't go to either an LoI game or an EPL one. I go to Bundesliga games whenever I can, fantastic atmosphere and involved crowd over there. As well as El Classicos in Spain for amazing tension. A game isn't worth seeing in person imo if the atmosphere is lacking, might as well just watch it on the box.

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Originally Posted by Dugout

Last nights match gave the LOI players a chance to play against one of the best teams in World Football. This forum is always on about the league players not getting enough recognition especially at National level and yet when they get this opportunity all this forum does is slate it!
As for the result, what other result did people expect?? The standard of LOI football is crap! You pay €20 into a LOI game, there is little or no atmosphere, the standard of football is poor, and most of the crowd spend the game moaning about everything to do with the game! So where is the appeal??? Last nights match was not going to get the "barstoolers" as this forum likes to put it, out on Friday night!
The EPL has the appeal that is why people travel over to games and support the team they follow in the pub, its enjoyment! :o People like to spend their hard earned on things they enjoy!

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The appeal is that people like you are not there

WUM

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Originally Posted by CuanaD

The appeal is that people like you are not there

WUM

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Just to clarify, I am not a wind up merchant!! It annoys me when all I read about on here is LOI "barstoolers" etc,etc....are to blame for not supporting the league!

For the record, I support the LOI and attend games on a weekly basis. I don't support a particular team but do attend either Richmond, Dalymount or Tallaght depending on what I feel will be the best match to attend.

I am not saying the standard of the EPL is out of this world but it appeals to people because they have good PR!

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Originally Posted by Dugout

Last nights match gave the LOI players a chance to play against one of the best teams in World Football. This forum is always on about the league players not getting enough recognition especially at National level and yet when they get this opportunity all this forum does is slate it!
As for the result, what other result did people expect?? The standard of LOI football is crap! You pay €20 into a LOI game, there is little or no atmosphere, the standard of football is poor, and most of the crowd spend the game moaning about everything to do with the game! So where is the appeal??? Last nights match was not going to get the "barstoolers" as this forum likes to put it, out on Friday night!
The EPL has the appeal that is why people travel over to games and support the team they follow in the pub, its enjoyment! :o People like to spend their hard earned on things they enjoy!

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Either the worst WUM to desend on planet FOOT.IE for a while or a very deluded football "fan". Not sure that post should be dignified with a reply but ....... once more (with gusto)

If the money spent by IRISH football "fans" on ENGLISH/SCOTTISH football clubs was spent on IRISH football clubs - standard of player would improve (better players could be aquired) > thus improving the standards > thus improving the crowds > improving atmosphere (any sort of picture developing here ?) all leading to better facilities here and greater employment for people in the game here.

Of course, adding to the Glazers wealth is much more fun :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Dugout

Last nights match gave the LOI players a chance to play against one of the best teams in World Football.

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No it wasn't. If anything, the last thing last night was about was football and that is the most painful thing about it all; a football body who don't care about the game of football here.

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Originally Posted by Dugout

This forum is always on about the league players not getting enough recognition especially at National level and yet when they get this opportunity all this forum does is slate it!

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Because the opposition was an afterthought and it wasn't meant to be a game, it never was meant to be anything of the sort. It was a PR stunt and one that still backfired as the LOI didn't and was designed not to benefit, FAI don't make money from selling Man U shorts and Man U don't need the exposure.

If the FAI had their way, they'd have brought over UK Celtic PLC and Man U to sign autographs for an hour but to thank them for "allowing" an Irish team to play them? Thanks a bunch!

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Originally Posted by Dugout

As for the result, what other result did people expect?? The standard of LOI football is crap! You pay €20 into a LOI game,

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I pay €15, you were ripped off and deservedly so; long may it continue :D

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Originally Posted by Dugout

there is little or no atmosphere, the standard of football is poor, and most of the crowd spend the game moaning about everything to do with the game!

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Just like last night.

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Originally Posted by Dugout

So where is the appeal???

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Again, just like last night, where was the appeal?

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Originally Posted by Dugout

Last nights match was not going to get the "barstoolers" as this forum likes to put it, out on Friday night!

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I'd like to stick a barstool up a barstooler if what last nights crowd is what we are looking to go to games :)

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Originally Posted by Dugout

The EPL has the appeal that is why people travel over to games and support the team they follow in the pub, its enjoyment! :o People like to spend their hard earned on things they enjoy!

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The appeal of the EPL evaporates outside of 6 teams, Marathon Travel don't run too many package deals to see Hull, Wigan or Reading for reasons best known inside their trophy cabinets. Discuss.

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Originally Posted by Dugout

Just to clarify, I am not a wind up merchant!! It annoys me when all I read about on here is LOI "barstoolers" etc,etc....are to blame for not supporting the league!

For the record, I support the LOI and attend games on a weekly basis. I don't support a particular team but do attend either Richmond, Dalymount or Tallaght depending on what I feel will be the best match to attend.

I am not saying the standard of the EPL is out of this world but it appeals to people because they have good PR!

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So now you say you pay "20 euros" in to see the "crap" on offer in the LoI on a weekly basis?
Impressive. When did you pay 20 euros into Richmond or Tallaght? I normally pay 15.

I dont know if anyone caught this on the TV last night but i spotted somthing that really summed up the night. When Owen scored and rooney missed over the bar take a look behind the goal....two stewards in orange FAI jackets start jumping up and down like they have won the lottery. I think that says it all really

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Originally Posted by Dugout

I am not saying the standard of the EPL is out of this world but it appeals to people because they have good PR!

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And last night was just a PR exercise for United.

What really makes me laugh is that the barstoolers get their knickers in a twist about comments from LoI supporters online and use it as a reason not support their local team, when it's nothing compared with the contempt they are held in by football supporters in England.

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Originally Posted by Murfinator

Premiership is gash. I wouldn't go to either an LoI game or an EPL one. I go to Bundesliga games whenever I can, fantastic atmosphere and involved crowd over there. As well as El Classicos in Spain for amazing tension. A game isn't worth seeing in person imo if the atmosphere is lacking, might as well just watch it on the box.

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Oh dear. Just jump on the latest fashion trend, eh?

Occasion is far more important than atmosphere. I know I'll far more enjoy our trip to Dundalk tomorrow night - need to get out of our current rut, pull away from the relegation play-offs nad maybe close in on a Setanta Cup spot - than I would going to a game in any of the top leagues (and I've been to club games in 11 countries at this stage, from Andorra and the Faroes to La Liga and Serie A). Occasion is personal, atmosphere of itself is just some people shouting. The second helps the first, but of itself, the second is irrelevant.

So now you say you pay "20 euros" in to see the "crap" on offer in the LoI on a weekly basis?
Impressive. When did you pay 20 euros into Richmond or Tallaght? I normally pay 15.

I was using €20 as a general figure, I should have used €15 if I had known you would be so childish about it. Maybe I should also mention that your €15 in Richmond use to include a programme but not anymore!! :)

Shedendinvisibl last nights atmosphere was brutal and I am no Manure fan! The majority of fans that went are Manure fans and thats their choice. The same its your choice to support your LOI team. These fans dont see the appeal of LOI so they have no interest. That is the LOI biggest problem lack of appeal to people.

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Originally Posted by Dugout

So now you say you pay "20 euros" in to see the "crap" on offer in the LoI on a weekly basis?
Impressive. When did you pay 20 euros into Richmond or Tallaght? I normally pay 15.

I was using €20 as a general figure, I should have used €15 if I had known you would be so childish about it. Maybe I should also mention that your €15 in Richmond use to include a programme but not anymore!! :)

Shedendinvisibl last nights atmosphere was brutal and I am no Manure fan! The majority of fans that went are Manure fans and thats their choice. The same its your choice to support your LOI team. These fans dont see the appeal of LOI so they have no interest. That is the LOI biggest problem lack of appeal to people.

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Sorry now, childish?
20 euros is not a general figure, its an incorrect figure which you were attempting to use to verify your point.

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Originally Posted by Dugout

Last nights match gave the LOI players a chance to play against one of the best teams in World Football. This forum is always on about the league players not getting enough recognition especially at National level and yet when they get this opportunity all this forum does is slate it!
As for the result, what other result did people expect?? The standard of LOI football is crap! You pay €20 into a LOI game, there is little or no atmosphere, the standard of football is poor, and most of the crowd spend the game moaning about everything to do with the game! So where is the appeal??? Last nights match was not going to get the "barstoolers" as this forum likes to put it, out on Friday night!
The EPL has the appeal that is why people travel over to games and support the team they follow in the pub, its enjoyment! :o People like to spend their hard earned on things they enjoy!

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You location is set to touchline, surly it should be barstool...

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Originally Posted by Murfinator

Maybe we should leave behind these silly notions and accept that people support the sports and teams that entertain them?

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W.U.M.

Do you honestly think people support Liverpool FC over the past 10 years for "entertainment"?

Ok I will agree that Man United and Arsenal play a nice brand of football but sweet jesus the rest of the EPL is so bloody negative.

Last night was hard to watch, the national papers today will rip local football to bits but the thing that most annoyed me last night was Richard Sadlier and Bill O'Herlihey (sp? ah who really gives a ****e). Why was Con not presenting this? Sadlier is a bitter **** who really doesn't add anything to a discussion only his usual "from my experience with Pats", now, the muppet spent one season at Pats (open to correction), what the f*ck does he know about the league? Roddy would have actually made better viewing than the boring...... ah I'll leave it.

Other random points that could be used:

Id bet the league select would have given a better account of itself had the game been played last season with the likes of Healy, Deegan and Fahey all still about.
Id say had Bohs beaten TNS the side would have struggled even more so without the likes of Keegan, Powell and Shelley.
Im sure had Rovers players been involved it would have strengthened the side.
Maybe Rico could have selected Amond as one of the form strikers in the league all season.
Maybe Rico should have started Mulcahy.

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Either the worst WUM to desend on planet FOOT.IE for a while or a very deluded football "fan". Not sure that post should be dignified with a reply but ....... once more (with gusto)

If the money spent by IRISH football "fans" on ENGLISH/SCOTTISH football clubs was spent on IRISH football clubs - standard of player would improve (better players could be aquired) > thus improving the standards > thus improving the crowds > improving atmosphere (any sort of picture developing here ?) all leading to better facilities here and greater employment for people in the game here.

Of course, adding to the Glazers wealth is much more fun :rolleyes:

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I think you have it the wrong way around. The league should be capable of being attractive to the public on its own merit. The fact that the public don't have an interest in the LoI I would view as more a failing of the league than a failing of the public attitude.

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Originally Posted by Dugout

The standard of LOI football is crap! You pay €20 into a LOI game, there is little or no atmosphere, the standard of football is poor, and most of the crowd spend the game moaning about everything to do with the game! So where is the appeal??? Last nights match was not going to get the "barstoolers" as this forum likes to put it, out on Friday night!
The EPL has the appeal that is why people travel over to games and support the team they follow in the pub, its enjoyment! :o People like to spend their hard earned on things they enjoy!

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The exact same argument could be made for cheering on Argentina in a few days time.

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I wouldn't pay 20 quid to watch Ireland play, the standard is crap, and most of the crows spend the game moaning, so where's the appeal?

I'll be cheering on Argentina, because I love watching the boys, Carlos, Leo, Sergio Kun Aguero (If you use his nickname it makes you a proper fan, like saying Stuart Psycho Pearce every time you mention him)... Argentina have the appeal Ireland don't have.
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