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Agree with this, also because he's not a west ham player, they won't be playing him to help his development, really think he needed to go somewhere where he'd have automatically been first choice. Leeds would of made senseQuote:
Originally Posted by Bottle of Tonic
With every higher position in the PL at the end of season being worth £3m (TV/Merit etc), even if safe from relegation, there remains every incentive to gain as many points as possible - esp at a club run and owned by such deeply unpleasant, unscrupulous people as at WHU.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
Meaning that any (otherwise understandable) sentiment Potter may have of giving the likes of Ferguson regular starts in the run-in will cut no ice with the Board.
Meaning Ferguson will likely either have to smash it in training, and/or hope for injuries, and/or wait for the team to go on a losing run.
P.S. I see that EF came on after 73 mins - with the game safe enough, Potter resting Kudus for their next game?
Got about 20 minutes. 4th sub on for WH. Showed some nice touches here and there. However he had one clear chance one on one where he was slipped in by Bowen. Made a bags of it and it was blocked before even testing the keeper. Needs to go somewhere in the summer he has a strong chance of starting games and hopefully the goals will follow. Championship probably.
17minutes + 5 minutes of injury time ~ ~ Tis something anyway.
I’m not too worried. A bit of a reality check that it’s not just Brighton leaving him out could do Ferguson some good in terms of what it takes to be a premier league player. The raw ingredients are still there.
he really needed to do better with that chance. didn't need to score but at least needed to make the keeper work...
You missed the point of what I said. Bazunu went somewhere he was guaranteed to play. Of course you can have conversations in the background of only agreeing to go to a club if they are going to actually play you. As I said, I understand West Ham dont care, but Fergusons camp should have done a better job of having the conversation before he went to the club and if there was any doubt that he was going to be starting then maybe he should have gone somewhere in Holland or Belgium for example to get game time. Between the injury and competition for places at Brighton he has no football in a year. He has to just get minutes under his belt. The whole way this has been handled from Fergusons camps side is just baffling... and might only get worse if Fullkrug gets fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bottle of Tonic
Part of me thinks it is early doors. Let's see how it goes.
The other part of me saw him have a very good half against Brentford - 45 mins - and then go onto get 27 mins across the next two games and think it's all a bit disappointing. Particularly when he was brought in as almost their sole striking option and they've gone on to play without a striker for the games in question.
Two games now before the international break for West Ham. I hope he doesn't have only a bit part in those.
If he had moved to a new club permanently Id agree that its still early days and he'll probably play his way in. That theres only about 2 and half months left in the season and hes just wasted another month is the issue really. Hopefully he can force his way in, you could see the rust with that chance he missed yesterday. A sharp Ferguson would have taken one touch and finished, it was the sign of a player lacking in confidence and match sharpnessQuote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
But he is getting minutes. "Conversations" have no legal binding, even handshakes are worthless (ask Kenny Dalglish). No club manager will guarantee starts. When was a club ever sued because a loanee didn't get x amount of "agreed" starts? I think it's possible, however, for the player and/or his owner club to apply for a loan annulment after a certain period if they feel aggrieved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Bazunu: how do you know he was guaranteed starts?
Bazunu didn't end up at a random place like Liege by accident genius
A good performance last week saved his bacon. Liege fans starting to whinge. Expectations yes. Guarantees no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Sure he could be hit by a bus in the morning
Always best to keep your fitness and reflexes up to avoid that scenario ~ Which is why I have never been hit by a bus, yet !Quote:
Originally Posted by Acornvilla
Doubt it would be the case with either of these two given how established they are and their wage levels but you do get loans with significant financial penalties ie:
Liverpool loan Ben Doak to Boro. They agree to pay 50% of his wages as long as he plays 70% of the minutes he’s fit and available for and if he doesn’t reach that threshold then Boro need to repay the money
Ferguson wasn't match fit when he arrived so Potter put him on the bench. Unfortunately for him, WH seem to be winning recently, so Potter has decided not to change team much. Unlucky for Evan, but I reckon he will get a run in the team before the end of the season
You would think that it would be a good idea for Potter to play Ferguson, if for no other reason to show that he chose a good player to take on loan !Quote:
Originally Posted by Drummerboy2
Or, if he's flying in training, don't play him to keep his value down with a view to a summer transfer.
Machiavelli style thinking there !Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
It would take a hell of a lot of self control from Ferguson to go along with that kind of thinking :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
Unlucky not to be picked as WH are winning recently.
Not match fit when he arrived.
Not playing as WH don't need to develop him.
Rust, lack of confidence and match sharpness.
WH not playing him so they get him cheap in the summer.....
Some of the recent excuses offered up here. I'll go with occams razor and suggest he's not being picked at WH or Brighton because he's deemed not good enough in comparison to the other options in the squad(s).
He's a young player that's played damn all football since he broke through. Badly needs games somewhere/anywhere at this stage of his development.
I was joking with that one to be fair. Reality is that he's a 20 year old striker and it's hard to get games in that league at that age as the main man up front. Clubs have other more experienced options that they are playing over him. He probably needs a year or two out of the Premier League, either in Britain or further afield, with a club that will start him every week. But most clubs that fit the description probably couldn't afford his wages. So he's caught to some extent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bottle of Tonic
Collecting splinters again today
Same starting XI for the third game going. Did anyone really except Potter to make changes to his starting XI that beat Arsenal and Leicester in the previous two games.
Watching the match. West Ham chasing the game...Potter just brought on 3 players and still leaving Ferguson on the bench. Considering how many clubs were chasing Ferguson this is an absolute disaster of a move.
Assuming he was promised game time. I dunno, raging at the moment!
Edit: okay he just brought him on 1 minute after I posted
He just seems far too passive, and almost too relaxed. He still makes good runs so I’m sure it’ll come together for him at some point, and it’s easy to forget that he’s still only 20. Fingers crossed he’ll learn to impose himself much more on the game; with opponents and teammates alike.
Irish fans just have to temper their expectations now.
Fair point. He was fairly anonymous. One decent chest down to another player towards the end but other than that he wasn't there. I'd liken it to Idah in that he needs a run of games where he's starting but it doesn't look like that's going to happen with this move. I'm not really frustrated with Ferguson at all but very frustrated with this loan move considering there was options in the championship and European leaguesQuote:
Originally Posted by The Fly
watched from the 73rd minute (3 mins after Evan came on). Don't think he touched the ball until the 92nd minute. Made some decent runs etc but just never received it. When he finally got the ball, he shot from a stupid distance, shot was blocked. Chased back to win the ball, picked it up and then skipped a tackle and played a dangerous ball into Kudus. Centre back sliding backwards got a foot to it, spinning it into the air, Pope came out to claim but Kudus beat him to it, but Kudus' touch was too heavy and it went out for a goal-kick. Chested the ball down for a Kudus shot in the 94th minute. Shot was blocked by a Newcastle defender...
Yeah, I just think when he ‘first burst onto the scene’ most Irish fans were hoping (or assuming) that that was going to just carry on. And that hope wasn’t without foundation because you can see the intelligence and technique in him.Quote:
Originally Posted by rebelmusic
But because of a combination of factors he’s effectively starting again. As I say…fingers crossed!
I just watched it when Ferguson came on too and I just found myself frustrated watching like I do a lot of games now. Everyone just seems to play the same way these days. Its slow passing out from the keeper and around the defense all the time and no urgency. West Ham were fannying around with the ball instead of actually looking to create something. I couldnt help but think that we might not be too far away from a Sam Allardyce type character getting success from going route one again. I just find so much of football very bland these days with everyone trying to be a clone of Pep.Quote:
Originally Posted by elatedscum
Fully agree with that. And Graham Potter managed teams are particularly bad for it.
As a team we need to be different because we can't play that way. We just don't have the technical midfielders to do it. With our strengths in defence and pace out wide (albeit injuries this month), I think we should be setting up to play fast counter attacking football whenever we play first and second seeded teams. Try to do something different to what nearly everyone else is doing.
Says Stephen Kenny's (former) greatest fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Interesting to see if HH selects him to start v Bulgaria. I think he could form a great partnership with Parrott, who is apt for bringing other players into play.
I expect him to start, there's nobody else really for the centre forward role. Idah isn't doing enough at Celtic to move ahead of him, Cannon has gone off the boil. Parrott will be in contention for a start as well, but likely not as an out and out centre forward. He may be competing with Azaz to play behind the striker.
I'd be fine with either Azaz or Parrot as long there's a solid plan B if it's not working out in the first 55/60 mins. If that plan B is start Azaz and Ferguson to be replaced by Parrot and Idah I'll be holding my head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
One of these days am I gonna find my pet rabbit boiling on the stove ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Snapshot
You dish, you cop. And boy, did you dish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Oh no, some guy on the internet thinks I supported the Ireland manager too much. The horror, whatever am I gonna do. It obviously rules me out of ever having a football opinion again.... unless I can find 1 post from 4 years ago where I criticized Kenny in some way, then all will be redeemedQuote:
Originally Posted by Snapshot
There's proportionally a fair few KennyOuts still nursing wounds around the support. Still sore. Settling grievances that exist only in their own minds far as I can tell.
Evan's still probably going to be the best striker of the lot, but right now I don't think he deserves to be starting by default honestly. The minutes would do him good and maybe lead to a turnaround for him, but Parrott and even Idah deserve their chance ahead of him for what they've done this year imo.
I expect HH to lead with Evan, it is the impression he's given generally, and I think any pick can be justified, but I don't think it'd be good for the morale of his competition if he is the undisputed first pick regardless of form/fitness.