Jack Grealish

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Originally Posted by BonnieShels

Basically, he has to be a great player, not a good player.

What happens when the Dunphy test and the Stutts gut test collide?

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You ask Richard Sadlier, obviously :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by geysir

Dare I to read into TOWK'S claim that Grealish not only declare but be a great player as well, is that if he was deemed not good enough for England, then it could be interpreted that ireland seniors would be his 2nd choice, whereas if he was deemed good enough for England but still chose ireland, then his choice would leave no doubt about his green credentials.

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But who does the deeming?

is it not enough that i offer a possible explanation for TOWK's statement, but now you want me to answer a meaning of life questions?
as in, who are "they"?

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

TheOneWhoMovesTheGoalposts

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unfortunately you can only use 15 characters in your username, so TheOneWhoMovesTheGoalposts is a few characters too long, but I like the way you're thinking

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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks

You can change my name to anything you want if this lad turns out to be a top class player and declares for Ireland over England.

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There's too many subjective things in that - define "top class", is it a Premier League player? Someone who earns more than ten caps? Plays in European competition? How do we know he's declared for Ireland over England? Is there any evidence they've offered him a call up in the last 12 months?
I've been thinking this over, how about if Grealish does play for Ireland, your signature is fixed to "I was wrong about Jack Grealish playing for Ireland, so you shouldn't take this post too seriously" for a year? Any other takers on this?

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Now that he posted about our result and hte fact we are good enough to draw with germany and england only good enough to put 1 past Estonia, he will definitely stay with us...:P

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Come on now Paul, a real fan stands by his words. Like every GAA player ever, or all the posters on ybig.ie, or anyone who's ever gone to an Ireland game with you

No, there is to be no wriggle room. If JG announces his final decision to play for Ireland aged 31 having only ever played regularly as high as Northampton Town, I'll maybe give TOWK the benefit of the doubt :)

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

No, there is to be no wriggle room. If JG announces his final decision to play for Ireland aged 31 having only ever played regularly as high as Northampton Town, I'll maybe give TOWK the benefit of the doubt :)

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Until then I'm voting for the SIG change.

:)

Incidentally, what if by the time JG is 31, Northampton are a EPL side...

Never mind....

Thats all very Noble of you guys to give Jack all that wiggle woom.

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

unfortunately you can only use 15 characters in your username, so TheOneWhoMovesTheGoalposts is a few characters too long, but I like the way you're thinking
There's too many subjective things in that - define "top class", is it a Premier League player? Someone who earns more than ten caps? Plays in European competition? How do we know he's declared for Ireland over England? Is there any evidence they've offered him a call up in the last 12 months?
I've been thinking this over, how about if Grealish does play for Ireland, your signature is fixed to "I was wrong about Jack Grealish playing for Ireland, so you shouldn't take this post too seriously" for a year? Any other takers on this?



Come on now Paul, a real fan stands by his words. Like every GAA player ever, or all the posters on ybig.ie, or anyone who's ever gone to an Ireland game with you

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Speaking of which I tried to hook up with Paul on Tuesday but I kept getting **** and bull excuses. Was he even there? :)

Paul probably (true to his word) spends his time hanging out with a better class of fan.

"Martin O’Neill gets his man as Jack Grealish commits future to Ireland"
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/socc...land-1.1966879

Due for a call up in the next squad, debut against USA. Relax now, folks :)

Good week for us!

What is this based on? Any quotes? All I see is speculation and conjecture with absolutely no new information.

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Originally Posted by John Fallon

A strong afterglow from the Republic of Ireland’s strong start to the Euro 2016 qualifying campaign is poised to burn brighter by the probable enlisting of Jack Grealish’s services to the senior squad.

The Aston Villa youngster is unlikely to feature in Ireland’s next qualifier on November 14th in Glasgow, with Martin O’Neill expected to keep faith with those players who secured a memorable 1-1 draw away to the world champions Germany, but a full debut four days later against Jürgen Klinsmann’s USA is on the cards.

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As the game against the United States is a friendly, England are not completely out of the equation until the point comes that he makes a competitive appearance in a qualifier.

It’s understood that such a late reversal by Grealish is inconceivable. Ireland’s next competitive fixture after the Celtic Park showdown against Scotland doesn’t come until next March when Poland visit Dublin.

The four-month gap will afford Grealish the platform to convince O’Neill of his readiness for inclusion in a squad already top-heavy with wideman.

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

What is this based on? Any quotes? All I see is speculation and conjecture with absolutely no new information.

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Not sure. None of the other papers are running with it as far as I know (although a lot of journos have been quite tonight so maybe they've been frantically trying to beat the first deadline).

My suspicions were correct:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0Gr0wyIcAAsHda.jpg

'Twas Michael O'Leary wot done it.

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Originally Posted by The Fly

'Twas Michael O'Leary wot done it.

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God bless that beautiful man.

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

God bless that beautiful man.

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Either that or he read TOWK's post earlier.

If this is true then it's a pity the Gibraltar game wasn't coming up instead. That would've represented the perfect opportunity to cap young Jack.

O'Neill used the Gibraltar game to get the players prepared for the Germany game so I think he was always going to go with the established players. He could have given Brian Lenihan a run-out at 5-0 to prepare for an emergency in the Germany game, but he decided to give Meyler the time there, so I think it would have been unlikely Grealish would have played as he wouldn't have been an option for Germany. O'Neill has played this one very well I think - he's backed off and given the boy room to sort out his future and his faith has been repaid. To be fair, Trap took a similar approach with James McCarthy and he, too, proved he never had any intention of turning his back on Ireland.

Indo now reporting this too, but it does look like a rehash of The Times article. If we beat Scotland, we will probably see Noble, Kane and Crowley want to come on board. Success breeds success and with a good feel about Irish football, others will probably come out of the woodwork like Christie. TOWK will be happy, like I am!

http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-30670984.html

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Originally Posted by gastric

Indo now reporting this too, but it does look like a rehash of The Times article. If we beat Scotland, we will probably see Noble, Kane and Crowley want to come on board. Success breeds success and with a good feel about Irish football, others will probably come out of the woodwork like Christie. TOWK will be happy, like I am!

http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-30670984.html

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It is a rehash - it's written by the same man. Fallon wrote the Examiner and Sun articles too, and presumably will have one on RTE tomorrow too. Freelancing.

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

O'Neill used the Gibraltar game to get the players prepared for the Germany game so I think he was always going to go with the established players. He could have given Brian Lenihan a run-out at 5-0 to prepare for an emergency in the Germany game, but he decided to give Meyler the time there, so I think it would have been unlikely Grealish would have played as he wouldn't have been an option for Germany. O'Neill has played this one very well I think - he's backed off and given the boy room to sort out his future and his faith has been repaid. To be fair, Trap took a similar approach with James McCarthy and he, too, proved he never had any intention of turning his back on Ireland.

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I meant it's a pity the Gibraltar game isn't coming up next.

I agree with you on O'Neill's approach, but then I wouldn't have expected anything less from him.

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Originally Posted by gastric

Indo now reporting this too, but it does look like a rehash of The Times article. If we beat Scotland, we will probably see Noble, Kane and Crowley want to come on board. Success breeds success and with a good feel about Irish football, others will probably come out of the woodwork like Christie. TOWK will be happy, like I am!

http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-30670984.html

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Crowley has been touted as a major talent for some time now, and there have been a few hints here and there that he may be tempted to return to the Irish fold. Fingers crossed on that one! Grealish's committal could only help given their familiarity with each other at Villa.

Harry Kane assisted the England U21s to victory over Croatia a couple of days ago to secure qualification to the European Championships. I can't see him declaring for Ireland. I think an enquiry into Will Keane's availability may prove more successful at this point.

As for Noble. No thanks!

RTÉ are reporting it as well. But referring to the Indo for safety.

Fingers crossed. Amazing what a bit of confidence will do about the camp.

Hmmm, he posted this earlier on Twitter: https://twitter.com/JackGrealish1/st...19042400239616

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Some stuff in the papers today about me that I didn't even no myself 🙈

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Hmmm, he posted this earlier on Twitter: https://twitter.com/JackGrealish1/st...19042400239616

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really, so its all bull then?? great.......

John Fallon should be embarrassed.

Well, technically he doesn't know if he's gonna be called up or not.

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

I've been thinking this over, how about if Grealish does play for Ireland, your signature is fixed to "I was wrong about Jack Grealish playing for Ireland, so you shouldn't take this post too seriously" for a year? Any other takers on this?

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Yeah, that signature and change his username to Richie Keogh.

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Hmmm, he posted this earlier on Twitter: https://twitter.com/JackGrealish1/st...19042400239616

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Could just be saying it until he is officially called into squad!


Or maybe there was an article in todays paper about him getting a haircut !!

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

O'Neill used the Gibraltar game to get the players prepared for the Germany game so I think he was always going to go with the established players. He could have given Brian Lenihan a run-out at 5-0 to prepare for an emergency in the Germany game, but he decided to give Meyler the time there, so I think it would have been unlikely Grealish would have played as he wouldn't have been an option for Germany. O'Neill has played this one very well I think - he's backed off and given the boy room to sort out his future and his faith has been repaid. To be fair, Trap took a similar approach with James McCarthy and he, too, proved he never had any intention of turning his back on Ireland.

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Bit early for all that.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/inter...2952-grealish/

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I've been thinking this over, how about if Grealish does play for Ireland, your signature is fixed to "I was wrong about Jack Grealish playing for Ireland, so you shouldn't take this post too seriously" for a year? Any other takers on this?

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And a bit early for this too.

But perhaps no smoke without fire.

Be interesting if you guys are as quick to suggest to add the signature if he declares for England. Or like all the other times ye were wrong about trap and ward etc etc.

Seems to be a bit of gutter journalism, Jack said he would commit once his future with Aston Villa was sorted, however
he didn't say he could commit to Ireland, just commit which I take as meaning he will make a decision as whether to
commit to England or Ireland.
I went straight to his twitter account first because I would not believe it until I heard it from him.
Looks like he tweeted just after it was broad cast on the radio on 5 live.

Why exactly do we care? He's a decent footballer with potential. If he wants to play for England let him go and do it - this conjecture about an unproven player who may not even want to play for us is ridiculous - we can't be that desperate, surely!

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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks

John Fallon should be embarrassed.

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It is a bit embarrassing alright. What a circus.

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

But perhaps no smoke without fire.

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Well, Grealish has denied all knowledge of what Fallon was talking about and has distanced himself from the claims. Unless he is playing ignorant as he doesn't wish for any decision to be made public yet...

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Be interesting if you guys are as quick to suggest to add the signature if he declares for England. Or like all the other times ye were wrong about trap and ward etc etc.

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Haha, look Paul; there is no Foot.ie orthodoxy and, I swear, we're really not all out to get you. You need to stop this positioning of yourself against such a fabrication as if you're cutting it down to size and setting it on the right path. It's not all about you. There are many different, varied, knowledgeable, imaginative and unconventional opinions expressed here; it's what makes it such a great forum. You're not the only one who thinks differently or who possesses the knowledge.

Why should "we guys" act on your above suggestion anyway? Most people here have consistently acknowledged the ambiguity and complexity of the situation whilst staying clear of suspicion, paranoia and veiled or outright hostility towards the lad.

DI that was in direct response to a quote about changing the signature of posters who said grealish is looking more likely to declare for England. Why change the position now when questioned in the other direction for those saying the opposite because based on what has been said they believe he is still ours to lose? You seem to have gone off on one.

Do you live in a bunker with tricky and Alan Turing, tell him to come out now its ok, homosexuality is no longer a crime. :P

Dan McDonnell has been defending Fallon on twitter. Fallon has covered the underage sides over the last few years and was the first to publish the story about O'Neill meeting Grealish, before it was confirmed.

It's more a continuation of the status quo - i.e. nobody really knows what's going to happen - than anything else

Should I stay or should I go now

The situation has not changed , his COYBIG tweet should not be taken out of context - he plays for the U21’s and obviously has some loyalty / ties to God’s country
However , he nearly switched to England in the past , his brother has advised that he completed the forms to switch associations only for young Jack to do a complete turn-a- round and join up with our U21’s
Jack himself has stated he was happy playing at a higher level with us (U21’s) than a lower age group with England, at that current time.
So far his decisions have been based on what’s best for his personal development , his profile and now that he has secured his contract at Villa - his bank balance.
Now we will see where his true loyalties lie , with his heart- us (that’s giving him the benefit of the doubt) or with his future profile , an England Intl would attract more sponsorship and more lucrative contract.
I for one hope he stays but I’m sure we will find out one way or the other in the not to distant future

Strange though he must have got it from somewhere surely. Maybe there is a mole somewhere that Grealish is unaware of! :D Or maybe barter. Only jack really knows!

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

DI that was in direct response to a quote about changing the signature of posters who said grealish is looking more likely to declare for England. Why change the position now when questioned in the other direction for those saying the opposite because based on what has been said they believe he is still ours to lose? You seem to have gone off on one.

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I know what you were rising to. There is no change in position here. He remains ours to lose; he is not already lost. He is registered with the FAI, after all. Whilst ambiguity remains with regard to his future intentions, there is no reason to distrustfully assume he is presently hoodwinking us because he has long harboured a secret desire to ditch us and represent his one true love, England. That would be to read unfairly into matters and it would be to, in the absence of evidence, fill the voids with suspicious and cynical presumptions of your own. It's good to be critical, but he simply hasn't made what will be a major career-changing decision yet. He may stick with us or he may go the way of the FA. It's only natural he would share loyalties to both, but he can only choose one path. There is lots of grey and not as much black and white. In effect, yourself and TOWK think he's a liar?

I don't think here is anything really ambiguous or complex about the situation at all - and I don't think anybody has been hostile towards Jack; quite reserved in fact. I don't think what anyone - myself included - has said is up there with the opprobrium NI fans reserve for "their" players declaring for us.

John Fallon should bury his head in shame. He has a responsibility as a journalist not to spread baseless conjecture as fact.

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

I know what you were rising to. There is no change in position here. He remains ours to lose; he is not already lost. He is registered with the FAI, after all. Whilst ambiguity remains with regard to his future intentions, there is no reason to distrustfully assume he is presently hoodwinking us because he has long harboured a secret desire to ditch us and represent his one true love, England. That would be to read unfairly into matters and it would be to, in the absence of evidence, fill the voids with suspicious and cynical presumptions of your own. It's good to be critical, but he simply hasn't made what will be a major career-changing decision yet. He may stick with us or he may go the way of the FA. It's only natural he would share loyalties to both, but he can only choose one path. There is lots of grey and not as much black and white. In effect, yourself and TOWK think he's a liar?

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Nobody is calling him a liar. Just pointing out that suggesting he was looking forward to an International call up and then turning down said International call up is a little bit deceptive. But he's only young like.

seen this on YBIG forum, can't access it at work so is this plausable???.......

Just seen a comment from someone
'It looks like the story is true. His dad, Kevin Grealish, has just shared the above Irish Times story on his Facebook page with the heading "Ireland V USA. Jack v Brad Guzan" - https://www.facebook.com/kevin.grealish.7