I wouldn't put Quigley in the same bracket as those players and Byrne is on a downward slope. I could be proved wrong but I would be shocked if Rovers or Sligo had expressed an interest in either player.
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I wouldn't put Quigley in the same bracket as those players and Byrne is on a downward slope. I could be proved wrong but I would be shocked if Rovers or Sligo had expressed an interest in either player.
You missed my point. I am not debating what other clubs might have been interested in Byrne or Quigley(or their "level")...simply giving you some examples of where Sporting Fingal were active in the market for players that Rovers and Sligo among others were also chasing or have signed (and consequently artificially distorting the potential wage demands)Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Fair enough, valid point. But surely the fact Fingal have only been able to sign one player (two with the re-signing of O'Neil) is indicative of a certain failure to succeed? I just don't buy that Fingal are having this big distorting effect on wages (especially when my own team has more absolute spending power).
Exacly my point. Its clear that this league is having a lot of problems i dont see how hoping that a certain club collapses makes those problems go away.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
I don't see how it matters one way or the otherQuote:
Originally Posted by sparky12345678
To make a political analogy. The PD's collapsed, Fianna Fáil is collapsing. We can all stand at the sideline, point and laugh at Fianna Fáil's slow but inevitable demise, we can sit back and watch Fine gael and/or Labour get into power and we can watch the same thing happen again and again (ie watch and laugh at football clubs collapsing all around you) and the country (ie the LOI) falls to its knee's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Or we can work together and try and pressure for reform, for change and make sure that none of the corruption happens again.
Are you for fecking real?
If Fingla fail, it won't be because a few fans of other people want them to.
Thats my point. I'm not getting into a blow hard argument with you about the other ridiculous points you make. Suffice to say, you're wrong about pretty much everythign you've said.
In your opinion :)
Terrible to see this happening to another loi club, hopefully things can get resolved quick.
Of course. Do you often post opinions that aren't yours?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lep
Couldn't agree more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Also, the whole "why can't we be one big happy LoI family?" line is not something I'd buy into at all.
Bought out of that after the whole registration debacle a few years back, Its every club for itself these days.Cant see how Fingal can be viable at premier level without owning their own ground the rent from Dalymount alone should be enough to bury them this season.Quote:
Also, the whole "why can't we be one big happy LoI family?" line is not something I'd buy into at all.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Zing.
A lot on here do :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
a club with a non existant fanbase can't be expected to survive too long
So when can I have my jelly and icecream?
"We stopped off for icecream."Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Army
"When the **** did we get icecream?"
Maybe not the best idea to compare yourselves to Fianna Fail if you're looking for empathy.Quote:
Originally Posted by sparky12345678
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agreed. but if the LOI collapses because of the collapse of every other clubs (or at least a majority of clubs) then who is at fault? The system? the FAI?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Its not about oh lets all be one big happy LOI family.
Instead of wanting clubs to collapse why dont we work harder at getting a proper working league. Instead of complaining from the sidelines about the proplems in the league structure etc why dont we do something about it.
How can clubs hope to build a history, to foster rivalries when clubs are collapsing all around....
If bohs were to go, who would shams have to hate (and create a great match atmosphere)? If drogheda goes thered be no louth derby. If galway goes thered be no strong galway team. Cork and Derry collapsed and they have an amazing fan base (and history).
Are we saying that all these clubs collapsing should be dealt with indivdually and that there is no inherent problem within the league?
Well maybe im being a bit idealistic and naive and rhetorical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
But i just dont see the logic in hoping that yet another club collapses as if that is somehow a good thing for the league as a whole.
well at the risk of turning this into a politics debate, i dont think Fine gael or even labour would have done much different had they been in power. theyre all part of the status quo, a product of the rotton status quo (system).Quote:
Originally Posted by bluemovie
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=politics.ieQuote:
well at the risk of turning this into a politics debate, i dont think Fine gael or even labour would have done much different had they been in power. theyre all part of the status quo, a product of the rotton status quo (system).
we all have our opinions let foot.ie be the last safe haven from the ongoing political madness.
I like Status Quo.
This thread's gone down down, deeper and down....
Sorry... couldn't resist... hope the funny pills kick in soon....
We've had no news from the Fingal bunker. WE wait.
Maybe someone could check up every tree in North Dublin for Buckley?
Arent you a shels fan Bonnie? why are you waiting on news from fingal?
excellent book -im reading it at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eminence Grise
You're right. As a Shels fan I should have no interest in anything outside of things affecting my club.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lep
And I suppose, as always when it regards Spingal there's nothing to see here.
Events at Fingal in no way affect any other club's survival prospects at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by sparky12345678
The scenario you mention has nothing to do with Gannon pulling the plug on funding for one club. The league survived Dublin City going under, and if Fingal follow suit, the league will still survive.
Pineapple I agree with you in principle, however overall it will further hurt the credibility and long term viability of the league. Football is a business as well as entertainment, I don't need to draw parallels with either industry to porve this point. One clubs demise, while causing more internet warriors to splash out in harmony than when they watch tv after the watershed, will not matter much, short term, though that is what is killing the league, short term thinking and long term damage. UCD will survive in some shape or form as the taxpayer and alumni will allow for good players interested in getting a qualification while picking up a few quid, while facilities in Belfield are also a good attraction (as well as good coaching). However other clubs will not be so lucky and in the longer term more will fall by the wayside as less and less people with disposable income or who want managed investments will look to the league. So sure, the league will survive, like a cockroach.
You're confusing the League with Bray.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudulika
You see no irony in that?Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
Do you not see the humour in that?Quote:
Originally Posted by dong
Go wan, ask Peadar.
I see the FAI as the Mammy Coackroach, the LOI as the son that's locked up in the cellar because he's a bit weird, while the LOI clubs are the little baby cockroaches who cannibalise each other "going forward" and feed off the waste of their siblings. There's no loyalty in this segment of the ecosystem as it's cockroach eat cockroach. Sorry, listening to Morning Ireland as I type :-) going forward
What is that about, what have Bray done to you? We are a well run club who don't overspend, that's why we are at the bottom of the league. At least we will survive and don't bring the game or the league into disrepute.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
folks, we are currently cruising approximately 15,000 feet above the head of the average foot.ie user. thank you, and enjoy the flight.
Of course it will. However, that ignores the fact that this happening to Fingal was an inevitability given the way they were set up. So that particular Sword of Damocles, it looks like, will soon be removed. If it's inevitable, best to get it out of the way as soon as possible so we can move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudulika
The rest of your post seems to ignore the fact that Fingal's set-up is different to every other club in the league.
Pineapple, agreed on the Swords of Damocles, agreed that no matter what it's best to just get it over with (whatever the result) and move on. However how can you say I'm ignoring the Fingal set up, the post is about the credibility of the LOI. Do you think an investor will think twice about putting money into, for example, Monaghan over Galway when the financial viability and sustainability of the LOI is completely without sense or credibility? The model held up regularly is Rosenborg for how to move clubs on to a competitve model cracking CL EL groups etc. However why aren't local industries or investors pumping money into facilities and structures of LOI clubs as they have done in Rosenborg, Zilina, BATE, clubs in Cyprus etc? The usual football blame goes on the GAA, rugby, FAI and so on, however the facts remain that individuals and companies of drive and substance won't because of the unerring ability of the clubs of the LOI to rent each other asunder, sell out and go for short term success at the expense of a longer term sustainable model. So if other posters are right in their repeated assertions, then Sporting Fingal are no different to any other club in trying to grow too big too fast, which is completely relevant to the post you mentioned.
*whoosh*Quote:
Originally Posted by albatross
peadar!!!!!
The problem being that Fingal is based on one person trying to drop a successful sports team into a larger construction planning plan (similar as with Drogheda's ground proposal). The problems facing the league - lack of sponsorship, lack of interest and therefore small gates, the Premiership lurking nearby - are different to the ones Fingal face. There are two valid points there, but they're completely unrelated, despite your best attempts to try show otherwise.