Straight to the Hallmark Channel ... Staring Brian Dennehy as Tom CoughlinQuote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
Straight to the Hallmark Channel ... Staring Brian Dennehy as Tom CoughlinQuote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
No fit and proper person would ever want to be a League of Ireland chairman.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholesun
Actually, no fit and proper person would ever want to be a League of Ireland fan. Why would you want to spend a Tuesday morning discussing the intricacies of bank drafts and cheque clearances while wondering whether players will travel to the match that night when you could turn on the telly at 7.45 and 'support' 'your' team in the Champions League from the comfort of your sitting room?
Once lodged although by definition they are safe and "cleared"..they still go through the normal cheque clearing system which can take 3/5 working days.Only way it clears straight away is if the persons account happens to be in the same branch that the bank draft was purchased inQuote:
Originally Posted by Raheen
Why was Murphy paid by cheque?
To add to the drama!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty
I recall that poor Danny Murphy seems to be always on the receiving end.
Wasn't it the case that previously everybody in the team got paid except him?
Yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMorgan
He also came out of examinership having written off a large amount as a creditor as he signed a contract with Arkaga which meant half his wages would be paid at the end of the season, cos he wanted to come back here.
Just goes to show, if you show weakness to these sort of people they'll just walk all over you.
Our u17 manager was sacked this morning. Just interviewed on local radio redfm:
Sacked because of criticism he made of the club in an interview during the week.
- The club have abandoned the youth and U-17s....
- Training cancelled twice in the past few weeks due to money not paid for training facilities at Eire Og. Young players won't come near Cork City because of what is going on....
- The club is in big trouble
- No interest in keeping the underage structure going
The sooner the club is sent to start from scratch the better,cant understand why the fans hadn"t got involved at an earlier stage.If they do happen to gain control-either through foras or whatever-than they will need to aquire an asset of some sort be it a training pitch or something.I dont have any sympathy for the club at all,this is an all familiar sight in Cork football...
Micls - aren't Foras involved with the underage teams at some level, or will TNB not even let you near them?Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
We offered but don't have anything to do with what now seems a rapidly crumbling underage structure. Personally, with Pat Curran's sacking and one or two other things that happened in thd last ten days or so, I can't see it happening now. Member's meeting on Wednesday will help provide direction on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Celdrog
I'm beginning to get increasingly nervous that Cork City are actually going to be in the Premier Division next season.
I wouldnt bet against it
There is absolutely no doubt about that. Hell will freeze over before the FAI act.Quote:
Originally Posted by CSFShels
of course it cant be confirmed but you can take it as read, in a few months time when foras or new owners ask for a dig out they will be reminded of the time that......:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by RoversHead
You can take it as a rumour, despite the conspiracy theorists' protestations.Quote:
Originally Posted by gael353
lets face it who else would be so stupidQuote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
Of course it is an unconfirmed rumour.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
The distinction here is that most people believe it is probably true. Understandably neither party are likely to confirm it.
People are assuming it's true in the absence of an alternative rumour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
There's a name circulating around Cork as to the identity of the revenue loan and another widely held about last tuesday's pay being possible because of a recent property sale by Coughlan.
I'm not saying it's false, I don't know, but there are a few more likely scenarios out there
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Cork 'farce' leaves bitter taste among rival clubs
By SEN RYAN
Sunday October 25 2009
BARRING a calamitous collapse in their last two games, Cork City's players appear to have secured a place in next year's Europa League for the club, but not everybody in League of Ireland circles is happy with this development.
For Cork City to be in Europe next year, according to St Patrick's Athletic CEO Richard Sadlier, "would be absolutely farcical". And Sadlier is merely expressing a view which has general currency within the League.
As Bray Wanderers' official Eddie Cox put it: "Nobody wishes Cork City any harm, but there has been obvious mis-management, the FAI brought in rules and they don't appear to be abiding by them. The general consensus is that if it wasn't Cork, the FAI wouldn't be helping them to the extent they have been. I doubt very much that they would do the same for us."
In the past number of months, Cork City have been in the news for all the wrong reasons. A short list reveals:
* Twice they have, at the last minute, avoided winding-up orders in the High Court
* They have been repeatedly late in paying the players' wages
* Twice they have averted a players' strike within hours of having to forfeit matches
* Settlements to former staff dismissed by the present owners have not been paid
Every week, there seems to be another bad news story emanating from the Leeside club, but the low point was reached, according to Cox and Sadlier, when a photograph appeared in national newspapers of players in a car boot thumbing for a lift before their trip to play St Patrick's Athletic on September 25 last. The bus company hired to transport them refused to travel until a bank draft for monies owed had been secured.
"That set us back years in terms of credibility, not only with football people but also with those on the periphery who we are trying to interest in the League," said Sadlier. "Those stories are so, so damaging."
Despite this, the FAI appear to have gone out of their way to keep Cork City afloat, mindful, perhaps, that a winding-up order would result in the matches they played this season being expunged from the records and thus causing chaos.
This doesn't go down well with other clubs who have cut their cloth according to their measure, and find themselves at a disadvantage.
"We feel very aggrieved," said Cox. "The FAI brought in club licensing, we have abided by the regulations and Cork haven't, yet it would appear that the FAI have helped to bail them out and we think that is unfair.
"We cut our budget by 60 per cent to meet their requirements, and we send in monthly accounts, but if Cork City did the same -- as they are supposed to do -- how did they end up owing the Revenue €400,000?"
What bothers Sadlier is that, at the end of last season, the clubs had a frank discussion with FAI officials and were told there would be harsh penalties for clubs failing to adhere to the regulations.
"The feeling was that a line was drawn," he says, "and that they would come down heavily on those guilty of doing X, Y and Z. Yet Cork are being treated the same way as Bray and Sligo who have done everything right. The tough decisions we (at St Pat's) made at the start of the season were to avoid the situation that Cork find themselves in, and that made us less competitive.
"It's a repeat of last season. Then Pete Mahon felt that UCD didn't overspend and got relegated. Drogheda and Cork ran into trouble and weren't relegated. So what's the advantage of acting in a correct manner? If you run up a huge list of creditors you can't pay, what are the consequences? We felt the FAI would come down hard on anyone getting into that situation, but there is no evidence that is the case.
"I'd be disappointed if a club the size of Cork dropped a division or went out of business, but there is a responsibility on those who run the League to see that the clubs who abide by the rules are protected. It shouldn't be of benefit to clubs to operate an over-spending regime."
There have been suggestions that if Cork are not relegated for their misdemeanours, one of the clubs who go down might take the FAI to court, but Cox says it won't be Bray: "We haven't the money for a court case, so we are waiting to see what the FAI are going to do."
The Cork City saga is unlikely to have a happy ending, and Sadlier says: "I don't envy the FAI, as it's a difficult issue to address. I assume there is a lot going on behind the scenes, but there has been no communication from them."
To ensure the bad news is kept to a minimum next season, the FAI may have no option but to make an example of Cork City. If that means dropping down a division, going part-time or even amateur, as former manager Dave Barry suggested, then so be it. At least the FAI will have made their point.
- SEN RYAN
Sunday Independent
Good article,its not just the club officals who want action taken its many fans too.You feel sorry for Bray,Sligo,Dundalk,Pats amoung others who have kept to tight budgets.
If it wasn't two clubs that could possibly get the chop then i'd say something. I'm not saying they are wrong, its just it could be taken with a pinch of salt considering the two clubs involved.
Bray are gone, and this could definitely be seen as a last ditch attempt to stay up.
Bray stuck to rules which the clubs were told about at that meeting at the start of the season.They then took the FAI at their word that clubs would be punished and made sure their own house was in order to avoid any punishments.Cork clearly havent their house in order nor did they make any real attempt to(a mass cull of their squad etc) and are NOT being punished.Bray and other clubs have every right to be angry.
Just to clarify, never mind Bohs hitting 65%, Cork must be miles away from it right?
Pinch of salt my hole, they're absolutely spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
You're way off beam here.Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
Of course the views of Bray and St Pats are highly relevant here, precisely because they "could possibly get the chop". Any club that has played by the rules and faces the ultimate penalty of relegation as a consequence of that (and others not complying) has every right to be mighty agrieved about the prospects of a FAI fudge.
It is also natural for the journalist to seek the views of those who potentially face relegation (in the circumstances Drogheda would probably not have a lot to say publically), but Bray, St Pats, Sligo, and Galway certainly would have every right to be asking the questions of the FAI.
Similarly Shamrock Rovers (league title) and to a lesser extend Dundalk (Europa qualification) all have a vested interest in the FAI living up to there stated intentions regarding sanctions and licensing.
But above all else there is the moral imperative - if the FAI fudge this they lose all credibility as a regulatory body
The thing is if Cork and Derry had cut their cloth to fit their measure, their squads wouldn't be as strong and it is conceivable that we (and Pats) would've got more points off them this season had they had weaker squads.Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
I'm not going to go on and on about it because Bray did something similar last year. We had to cut both the wages and the budget last season in September/October, after bringing in players in July and, arguably, strengthening the squad when we should have been trimming it as we couldn't afford it. In the end, we stayed up ahead of UCD even though they stuck to their budget. Had we been punished for overspending (be it a points deduction or a transfer embargo in July that year), we might've gone down instead of UCD.
Why???Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
Both clubs were in examinership last year. We both got a big points deduction.
Then one club continued to act the maggot, the other club took stock, learned the hard lessons, went part time, pared costs back to the bone and have done nothing wrong this season (like signing players in the summer and asking them to take a pay cut a few weeks later :rolleyes:).
Going by your logic, Shelbourne should keep quiet, and they suffered more than anyone, by dropping down a division and giving up European and Setanta football.
You are assuming they have some credibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
if you pick through the licensing manual half the clubs should not have a licence, never mind a premier one, including us.
Portadown submitted their application an hour late last year and the IFA relegated them - that's maybe extreme but its also proper regulation.
For clarification. The IFA did not relegate them. The application Portadown submitted was not for their Domestic Licence but a one off application to join the new league. They were 29 minutes late with their application.Quote:
Originally Posted by Celdrog
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Originally Posted by Celdrog
Perhaps I was incorrectly giving the Drogheda board credit for having the smarts to let other clubs do the complaining, while still getting the benefit of any impact of that pressure on the FAI. By complaining themselves about the FAI not enforcing proper sanctions, this could be seen by many as being extremely hypocritical (as you appear to recognise in relation to Drogheda being granted a license this season)
But if you are suggesting that Drogheda are not that astute, I'll take you at your word.
I guess this is a weak wumming attempt. In the unlikely event that it is not, you can get clarification on the specifics here -Quote:
Originally Posted by Celdrog
http://blackandwhitetown.squarespace...interview.html
Any chance you all could put your wee willies back in your pants and take the wee county wee-wee contest somewhere else?
You are right Tiktok - lets get back to the langer bashing:DQuote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
Do you think TNB should be sanctioned by the FAI and at what level?
Personally I think public execution would be fair but Id settle for them ensuring he does not run a club in the league next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Celdrog
Under no circumstances should he receive a licence, while I obviously want Cork City to stay in the premier I fully expect that we won't be, possibly the 65% rule will do it, but IMO there's a variety of ways the FAI could relegate us if they have the balls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Celdrog
Which we already know they don't. Its a win-win situation for the FAI, they know that the typical LOI fan already knows what they're like, and can do nothing. And they know the LOI outsiders remain blissfully ignorant about licensing, so they can really do what they want, and do.
True, but if they give Tom Coughlan a license next season ive no doubt there will be a widespread boycott of the club and the club wont reach the end of the season meaning theyl have a Dublin City-esque mess to clean up midseason.Quote:
Originally Posted by CSFShels
They avoided that this season, just. Im sure they dont want that happening next year.
The club will be run by someone other than Coughlan next year, but will still be granted a Premier licence next year, which will be nothing short of a complete disgrace.Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
Can I ask what your basing this on?Quote:
Originally Posted by CSFShels
They might be, but its not like i'm going to admit it am i ;):pQuote:
Originally Posted by tiktok