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Have fun splitting hairs. He was named in the 29. Medical teams decided that he could do with the international break off to continue treatment. Manager says fine we have plenty of cover. Plays for West Ham the next day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
BTW I'm not having a go at Joey. I'm fine with him managing his serious injuries. But it is clearly a situation of club first.
Besides, I don't think it would be fair on Joey O'Brien to imply he was unprofessional or uncommitted as a result of a desire to manage a long-term injury problem that has kept him out of the game for so long and nearly ended his career. He's lucky he's still playing any football at all. Naturally, he'd like to prolong his playing career and livelihood as best he can; that doesn't necessarily equate to putting club over country either. Very harsh to try and fault the lad for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Oh no...Quote:
Originally Posted by Irwin3
Oh dear...Quote:
Originally Posted by Irwin3
Oh thank goodness. Sorry CD, you're tagging me out...*hops in taxi*Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
What a sad little man you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
And here's the FAI statment Charlie.
But no, he didn't withdraw...Quote:
Clarification on Joey O’Brien: Our medical teams were speaking prior to Joey’s withdrawal from the Irish squad. A decision was reached based on Joey’s serious knee injury sustained two years ago, and he requires treatment during the international window next week after a patellar tendon flare up. The manager has given his blessing to this as we have sufficient cover on this occasion. He may feature for his club tomorrow.
Just bantering, would rather take the sting out of this. After all I could tee off on you seemingly not reading what I wrote, but also having the discourtesy to misrepresent it (repeatedly) even though I went to pained lengths to spell it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irwin3
But I'm just looking to get this thread back on track so everyone else can go back to talking Joey O'Brien or Trap's successor. So that's it. My money's on a Moyes/Fergie dream-team. Irwin3, you know what I'm taking about...
If you'll bother to read the rest of the statement you've posted, you'll see that a decision was made by the management which O'Brien clearly agreed with. Are you seriously implying O'Brien put his club over his country?Quote:
Originally Posted by Irwin3
Martin O'Neill has stated to Clive Woodward on 5Live that nobody has yet contacted him in relation to replacing Trap:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6delVESX2hg
Well, nobody from the "Irish FA" anyway. Maybe he's just being coy and someone from the FAI has gotten in touch...
You can't let it go. Nowhere have I misrepresented what you said. I explained it earlier with the parentheses.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
You were saying that people thought he was ****e because of his performances but that by the same token that these performances helped him to get a move.
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This despite Gibson's continued selection being held up by a section of support/media as an example of Trap's muppetry.
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Moyes had to weigh it up carefully - you really don't think the consistent seal-of-approval from an international manager didn't feed into that?
Keep digging. The statement is in black and white. It agrees with my summation above. The medical teams made the decision and the manager gave his blessing since we had sufficient cover. It's very simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
I'm not implying it, I've already stated it above. With his injury record, the fact that he has to protect his livelihood plus the fact that he isn't a starter, it was agreed by all parties that Joey could choose to withdraw from the squad, play for West Ham and receive his treatment during the break.
Trap's replacement may not have as tough a job qualifying for Euro 2016 as I'd feared. Greenscene have just published this seeding predictions list: http://greenscene.me/2013/09/euro-20...g-predictions/
It potentially sees us as the highest ranked team in the third pot based on World Cup 2010 results (weighted at 20 per cent of the ranking points total), Euro 2012 results (weighted at 40 per cent) and World Cup 2014 results (also weighted at 40 per cent). For some reason, I'd thought our current FIFA ranking within UEFA would play a more significant role in dictating our seeding. If our seeding was dependent on that, we'd be in pot four.
Or... he was fit enough to play for his club, like most other players in the squad did that weekend, and the management decided that the following week would be better spent resting than flying around Europe to sit on the bench? That's not putting club before country - that's acknowledging that not everybody can play that much football in such a short time when recovering from an injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irwin3
But is that to lack commitment in the same way it might be said that Gibson's commitment has been suspect? Isn't that what you were implying?Quote:
Originally Posted by Irwin3
We're singing from the same hymn sheet except I define it as club over country. He doesn't really have a choice due to the limits of his body and the fact that he has to earn a livelihood, but to me, that is exactly what it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Yeah, I gave a variety of examples of other players in different circumstances making choices to withdraw from selection.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Obviously, the difference is that Joey has little to no choice. Gibson's choice is not limited by an injury concern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irwin3
I never wrote that. I wrote Gibson selections was decried by a small section of support and media. I wrote Moyes would value Trap's opinion and faith in a player he's looking at purchasing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irwin3
That's Trap's opinion he values and that which he see with his own eyes (since he likely saw Gibson play for Ireland). Not the media or the fans'.
I've explained this three times, and you swung and missed each time while being
fairly insulting. That's ok, the door's swung both ways but you haven't been able to take much stick back. And if you still can't grasp the very, very obvious distinction between what I wrote and what you think it means, I doubt you ever will.
Steven Reid was another player, like Joey O'Brien, troubled by long-term injury problems, so a comparison between his virtually forced withdrawal from international duty and Gibson's voluntary opting out is again unfair. And you weren't seriously questioning the commitment of Damien Duff (100 caps in 14 years of service) because he retired from country before club at the age of 33, are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Irwin3
I've quoted what you said. It's in plain English. You said this:Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
This clearly implies that people were saying he was ****e, which they indeed were saying. I'm not swinging at anything. You are refusing to acknowledge your own words.Quote:
This despite Gibson's continued selection being held up by a section of support/media as an example of Trap's muppetry.
If Moyes valued Trap's opinions then he would have bought Paul Green and Keith Andrews since both were on free transfers and both were rated above Gibson.
I think the one being insulting is the one suggesting that the other is attempting whataboutery, that the other is Darron and that you can tag team someone in to save you from dealing with them.
Of course not. Like I said, I simply gave a list of players who made choices.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Duff - retired after years of service at 33. Continues to play well at high level for club.
O'Brien - injury problems mean he has to manage schedule.
Reid - retired to focus on club career but remained open to a recall.