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Originally Posted by old git

intresting to see what benetiz out fans thought of today :D,,

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As supporters of the club, they were probably happy with the win but I doubt they will change their whole opinion based on it. The last 7 games or so, gives a proper picture of where the team is. As I said above, United wont be the yardstick this season.

Finally, Andre Marriner played a big role in the game. He was very obliging towards Liverpool in all honesty. The PL is about 3 levels above his ability and Clattenburg should have refereed the game. Liverpool could comfortably have finished that game with 9 men.

Super day out Sunday really was. Football can break your heart at times but days like Sunday make all the trips to games like Sunderland, Chelsea etc worth it all. Haven't heard the KOP like that for a league game in god knows how long. Hopefully we can kick on now at Fulham next week.

Ngog, Ngog, Ngog, Ngog, Ngog
He tucks his c*ck into his sock
Ngog, Ngog, Ngog

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Originally Posted by reder

Finally, Andre Marriner played a big role in the game. He was very obliging towards Liverpool in all honesty. The PL is about 3 levels above his ability and Clattenburg should have refereed the game. Liverpool could comfortably have finished that game with 9 men.

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A few bookings here or there which he didn't give had no effect on the game. The peno calls were debatable in the extreme. The Carragher incident wasn't a sending off in my view as the ball was heading away from the goal and it wasn't a clear run on the goal. Also there were only a few minutes left. I don't think the ref played a big role in the game at all. Liverpool raised their game as predicted but it just puts off the evil hour for Benitez for another month or so.

People moan about refs (especially Clattenburg) no matter who they are - it's the nature of the game.

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

A few bookings here or there which he didn't give had no effect on the game. The peno calls were debatable in the extreme. The Carragher incident wasn't a sending off in my view as the ball was heading away from the goal and it wasn't a clear run on the goal. Also there were only a few minutes left. I don't think the ref played a big role in the game at all. Liverpool raised their game as predicted but it just puts off the evil hour for Benitez for another month or so.

People moan about refs (especially Clattenburg) no matter who they are - it's the nature of the game.

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"if he gave these few bookings here or there which he did not give of course it may have effected game " players may have the picked up a 2nd yellow.. carragher incident could have went either way and liverpool could have been down to 1o men with a 1-0 lead and under serious pressure for more than just a few mins left only.. carragher had already commited 2 challanges from behind on rooney 1 early in game and 1 in 2nd half without so going on rules he should have already picked up 2 yellows .. lucas commited at least 6-7 fouls without a booking and yet evra gets a yellow card for torres tripping himself.. but as already said liverpool deserved their win and makes you wonder why they could not play like this for last 4 games :D will reinna now get punished for his celebrations after ngog made it 2-0 he was the first player to reach ngog and celebrated wildly in his arms in front of fans:D

Liverpool were very obviously the team with more bite on Sunday. 2-0 very fair. Thought United made a big mistake starting Berbatov. You can't afford any passengers in a game of that intensity. Anderson would have given them strength in numbers as well as more energy in midfield. I don't really think this match changes anything outside of the 3 points it was worth. I think United will struggle in these kind of fixtures in both League and Champions League. Liverpool won't be able to match that intensity (not that they were anything special) in the more run of the mill PL games. Chelsea are definitely the team with least weaknesses but United will accumulate a big points total by beating the smaller teams and winning most of their home matches, so will be there or thereabouts. The Big 4 head to heads seem to take on a very different trend each season and often don't match up to the Final placings. This season home advantage seems to be the biggest factor with United beating Arsenal at OT, Chelsea beating Liverpool at the Bridge and Liverpool beating United at Anfield.

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Originally Posted by reder

I just cant comprehend how the majority of this United midfield have won the last 3 PL titles and a CL amongst other honours

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Van der Sar
Brown
Ferdinand
Vidic
Evra
Hargreaves
Carrick
Scholes
Ronaldo
Tevez
Rooney

This is the team that started the CL Final in 2008 and is a excellent side in my opinion. There are major differences between that side and the side now. Not just personnel but players getting older also.

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Originally Posted by apo11o

Looks like Rafas job is safe for the moment, beat Utd today loose to Hull or some bottom team next wk.

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:D Im not going to say it.:cool:

Deluded Liverpool fans...........please tell me you have given up hope for a League title this season?!!!

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Originally Posted by shakermaker1982

Deluded Liverpool fans...........please tell me you have given up hope for a League title this season?!!!

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demented more like after todays result :D must be so frustating 1 win in 7 games beat utd of the pitch last weekend with football and loads of passion and then a shocking performance against fulham ... i think benetiz rates the champions league more important anyway ..

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Originally Posted by old git

demented more like after todays result :D must be so frustating 1 win in 7 games beat utd of the pitch last weekend with football and loads of passion and then a shocking performance against fulham ... i think benetiz rates the champions league more important anyway ..

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cl is more important for the boys upstairs
pl is more important for the fans
rafas stuck in the middle

i sincerely hope we dont lose him to real madrid i dont think any manager out there could do a better job under the circumstances....
still theres a few cushty home games coming up sandwiched around the cl games the season is far from over yet

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Originally Posted by hunt4the

cl is more important for the boys upstairs
pl is more important for the fans
rafas stuck in the middle

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Both should be important to him and I assume they are. Liverpool's CL position is down to the players and management.

Was at the game yesterday, in the Fulham end where Torres scored surrounded by Fulham fans I know. It is the first time I have seen Liverpool play in months and it was all very predictable. I got a great view of the Torres goal and it was class, as he is. The Fulham fans were ****ting themselves everytime he got the ball but once he went off, they all said that Fulham would win the game and they were right. Without Torres, Liverpool's attacking treat was reduced by about 95%. Once Fulham went 2-1 up, I knew the game was over and had little confidence that Liverpool would get back into it.

I have to give credit to Voronin though. He worked his ass off yesterday and never stopped running. For all the possession, Liverpool were very predictable and everyone in the ground knew where each pass was going. The red cards will probably take some of the blame away for the result but once Fulham went 2-1 up, Liverpool were never getting back into the game even with 11.

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Originally Posted by reder

I have to give credit to Voronin though. He worked his ass off yesterday and never stopped running.

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Yeah, but sure myself or yourself could do that, but we'd still be rubbish.

Liverpool do well against good sides because they are set up to stop teams playing. Lucas and Mascherano were excellent against United because they blocked everything from midfield. But when other teams sit back off Liverpool and the midfielders have to play a bit of football they struggle

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Liverpool do well against good sides because they are set up to stop teams playing. Lucas and Mascherano were excellent against United because they blocked everything from midfield. But when other teams sit back off Liverpool and the midfielders have to play a bit of football they struggle

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I agree with that in general but the problems really started yesterday when Fulham played balls up to Zamora by-passing the midfield. He gave Carragher and the greek lad an awful time in the 2nd half. I would mind but he is sh1t as centre forwards go.

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Originally Posted by hunt4the

cl is more important for the boys upstairs
pl is more important for the fans
rafas stuck in the middle

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Clowns to the left of him, jokers to the right...

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Originally Posted by reder

Both should be important to him and I assume they are. Liverpool's CL position is down to the players and management.

Was at the game yesterday, in the Fulham end where Torres scored surrounded by Fulham fans I know. It is the first time I have seen Liverpool play in months and it was all very predictable. I got a great view of the Torres goal and it was class, as he is. The Fulham fans were ****ting themselves everytime he got the ball but once he went off, they all said that Fulham would win the game and they were right. Without Torres, Liverpool's attacking treat was reduced by about 95%. Once Fulham went 2-1 up, I knew the game was over and had little confidence that Liverpool would get back into it.

I have to give credit to Voronin though. He worked his ass off yesterday and never stopped running. For all the possession, Liverpool were very predictable and everyone in the ground knew where each pass was going. The red cards will probably take some of the blame away for the result but once Fulham went 2-1 up, Liverpool were never getting back into the game even with 11.

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Sad to read you being in the Fulham end reder. You should have been in away end with us. Wouldn't have thought i'd have seen a day when you wouldn't be. Not a good spell at all at the moment but time to stick with it and support.

It must be very frustrating to have made so much progress last season and to be in the position ye are in now. Already losing two and half times the amount of games ye did in the whole of last season, by the end of October. Benitez really is his own worst enemy at times though. Whatever about bringing off Torres, we could possibly give him the benefit of the doubt there that Torres could have done himself more damage by staying on, but taking off Benayoun (probably their most in form and creative available player) at 2-1 down really beggered belief. I thought the first sending off was pretty harsh, it was a silly lunge but harmless enough. Carragher's was more clear cut in my opinion. It would be typical Liverpool to go and beat Lyon tomorrow night but I find it hard to see them getting any more than a draw. Aquilani looked good in his little cameo against Arsenal last week but I wonder will he find the going a bit tougher when the likes of Bolton are kicking lumps out of him, time will tell I suppose.

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

It must be very frustrating to have made so much progress last season and to be in the position ye are in now. Already losing two and half times the amount of games ye did in the whole of last season, by the end of October. Benitez really is his own worst enemy at times though. Whatever about bringing off Torres, we could possibly give him the benefit of the doubt there that Torres could have done himself more damage by staying on, but taking off Benayoun (probably their most in form and creative available player) at 2-1 down really beggered belief. I thought the first sending off was pretty harsh, it was a silly lunge but harmless enough. Carragher's was more clear cut in my opinion. It would be typical Liverpool to go and beat Lyon tomorrow night but I find it hard to see them getting any more than a draw. Aquilani looked good in his little cameo against Arsenal last week but I wonder will he find the going a bit tougher when the likes of Bolton are kicking lumps out of him, time will tell I suppose.

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Bar hit the post in the first half Benayoun did nothing.

Frustrating is right but times like this you must be a supporter.

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Originally Posted by Rafa B

Not a good spell at all at the moment but time to stick with it and support.

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Tough times alright but it makes future successes feel all the sweeter. That's the way I look at things. I think Torres should get this operation and let the lad get fit. If he doesnt, I fear that he is going to spend the season playing at 80% and missing games odd games here, there and everywhere. Personally, I cant wait for Lyon, I just want to draw a line under the Fulham game now.

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Originally Posted by Rafa B

Bar hit the post in the first half Benayoun did nothing.

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Yeah but Torres didn't do much before he scored either, I still felt Benayoun was the most likely Liverpool player to produce something. Also it wasn't like they were bringing on somebody of note. I'm all for giving young players a chance but handing Eccleston his debut (?) in those circumstances seemed a bit drastic.

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

Yeah but Torres didn't do much before he scored either, I still felt Benayoun was the most likely Liverpool player to produce something. Also it wasn't like they were bringing on somebody of note. I'm all for giving young players a chance but handing Eccleston his debut (?) in those circumstances seemed a bit drastic.

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Torres doing nothing is a slight difference in Benayoun doing nothing imo. I would have taken off Kuyt myself. In fairness anyone could have been taken off on saturday. I like Benayoun but he was no better than the rest on saturday. Eccleston was the only other attacking option we had and i suppose Rafa felt he had to change something. He went for Eccleston to try and get down the wing and get crosses in. God knows he used to get hammered when he wouldn't make subs at all or dare i say give youth a chance:D