Agreed. But that's not really enough, is it?
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Agreed. But that's not really enough, is it?
Hard to judge a guy when he gets eff all service or is trying to feed off inaccuirate knock-downs from high balls. Maybe he's not doing enough to get involved, maybe he hasn't a chance to do anything. I'm inclined to think the latter.
Quality penalty.
Except any decent captain/forward would be pressing the manager to change the system to suit them...
Perhaps he doesn't fancy all the work involved in a system based around so little creativity. Can't say I blame him, sometimes...
im sick of seeing robbie been questioned. on friday you could have had pele,maradonna and messi upfront and they would have looked poor. balls hoofed into the air isnt robbie's game. he won the peno and put it away with style, ice cool when we needed him as usual. hes carried us for years with his goals and hes still doing it. i wonder about the people who critise him do they actaully know much about football. ask yourself how many games would we have won without him since he started playing for ireland. quite a few less is the answer. hes number 1 on my starting 11 every time.
Keane having a bad day is him missing chances, when you don't see him at all its our midfield and gameplan having a bad day or a "regular day" as the case may be. Keane's a poacher: it isn't his responsibility to drop deep and find the ball, its his responsibility to take up dangerous positions and be patient waiting for his teammates to carve out the opportunities. Just as well his conversation rate is so high because we create so precious little that there's seldom room for missed chances, even against the weakest teams.
Correct, you can spot those a mile off who don't have a clue about the game when they start criticising Keane for "not being involved". Or indeed people whos tart flagging our attack in general as a problem, when we create quality chances we generally score from them. Who plays up front is genuinely the least of our concerns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duggie
when hes retired then it will be clear how important he is for us. like this is a guy who is 32 living in LA now so he could have said ive done enough i will retire now but no he loves playing for ireland to much. the amount of flying hes doing now is unreal but hes up for it. look at his reaction when doyle scored friday, that said it all for me. 110% committed which is more than can be said for others.
Hmm, I see you put parentheses around 3 words very similar to what I asked above! I thought my question was fair and valid, although I answered it in Robbie's favour. Keane's not just a predator, his general play is also very good. In fact he used to drop so deep many were critical of him. Could he be doing more of this? Wasn't there talk of Robbie dropping deep before the game?
Drop deep to where? The space that the ball is constantly being lobbed over?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
But if he offers himself and demands it...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Murfinator
As said elsewhere, passing takes two: one to pass it, one to show for and receive it.
As it happens I think Robbie did about all he could on Friday but as there were suggestions from Trap (I think) that he could play deeper it's fair to ask that as leader on the pitch could he have done more to stop the hoofball and offer anotther option, or at least some variation.
The gameplan was quite clearly for long balls to Walters and Keane to work off the knock downs. If he dropped deep the plan obviously wasn't going to work. As it happened Walters was utterly dominated in the air, but there's nothing Keane can do about that. Not to mention the fact that Whelan and McCarthy were both playing quite advanced, or well not playing but were defending in an advanced position. If Keane had the authority to drop deep, start demanding the ball and insisting to play it on the ground and build from deep then you'd wonder why the two midfielders were even there to begin with and why they weren't doing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
The idea of a striker dropping deep is to support the midfield, we don't really have a midfield so it seems like you're suggesting for Keane to drop deep and be the midfield. Which might help but he can't do everything.
Yes. But dropping deep to help "pack" the midfield rather than dropping deep to be a creative outlet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
On this idea of players taking and receiving the ball, we have done this under Trapattoni. If you look back at some of his earlier games in charge, we did play some good possession football - the game away to Norway comes to mind. But we have become progressively more negative and simplistic in our approach to games which is by design. Trapattoni has long harped on about cutting out little mistakes to the extent that how we currently approach games is a reflection of Trapattoni's trust in our players to play football.
I didn't think we were that stuck now Given has retired.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duggie
Robbie scored his twelfth goal of the season for LA Galaxy against Colorado Rapids last night: http://www.lagalaxy.com/news/2012/09...is-12th-season
5th on the scoring charts and 9th for assists. 20 overall goals he had a direct hand in, only Donovan (21) and Wondolowski (24) have more.
Dion Fanning having a pop at Trap about picking Robbie. It seems every Sunday now we have to have an anti Trap/ Ireland article in the Indo.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...i-3230067.html
I think the point about Robbie necessitating 442 whereas we're always up against 433, is fair. We've highlighted that dilemma here many times before.
I honestly think that in Keane, Doyle, Long, Walters and Cox we have the strongest depth of forwards we have ever had. Finding a way of accommodating them in some way is a tough question and most will have to lose out. However, whatever the solution is, it shouldn't involve Keogh!
I liked the "intelligence" quip, a dig at McClean perhaps, and the criticism of Trap picking a player inappropriate to the requirement of a 3 man midfield in Serbia is bang on, and was predicted by me and Paul O'Shea here beforehand.
Robbie is one of the greatest international goalscorers in the world, no manager in their right mind would build a system without him. I understand the merits of dropping him, so we can play a lone striker and a proper 5-man midfield. While that'd potentially solve one problem it could very much create another for goalscoring. That's not so much a dig at Long/Doyle but a dig at our midfield who all are unusually poor at goalscoring for midfielders, which is something Trap has eluded to already. Building a system where only one player on the pitch is a proven goalscorer is asking for trouble.
Fanning's been doing this for about 4 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by gastric
Is that the paper that printed the underwhelming Kate pics? Ive seen better racks on Deer.