Where does this leave us now, hiddink is gone with Russia, Hodgson available, beerhaker gone with russia, venables available ( unfortunately ). He didnt even seem to care when England scored, though he was nail biting at the end.
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Where does this leave us now, hiddink is gone with Russia, Hodgson available, beerhaker gone with russia, venables available ( unfortunately ). He didnt even seem to care when England scored, though he was nail biting at the end.
Technically, English and Irish players are not as good as their continental counter-parts. From years of playing on muddy pitches imho. So 4-4-2 is the best formation. It's put the opposition under pressure and doesn't allow them time on the ball. How often 4-5-1 has been a disaster for teams from these islands? It's a joke and Venables, the assistant last night to McLaren, no doubt was the prime mover in that formation. Don't let him within an ass's roar of the Irish job.
Didn't seem to help England last night ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Freudian typo?Quote:
Originally Posted by onephillyhughes
To be fair, our 2 most impressive games in this campaign (Czechs and Slovaks at home) were when we used an "attacking" 4-5-1...I actually think its our most suitable formation to be honest!Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Great post, ye know, it could well be that. We don't get time in muddy pitches to hold the ball up and pass it around as ye lose possession to easily, so told to "boot it up the field, get rid of that fcuken thing and stop messing round". Whereas our continental counterparts play about with it on the ground and hold it up, and are very good in tight areas.Quote:
Technically, English and Irish players are not as good as their continental counter-parts. From years of playing on muddy pitches imho. So 4-4-2 is the best formation. It's put the opposition under pressure and doesn't allow them time on the ball. How often 4-5-1 has been a disaster for teams from these islands? It's a joke and Venables, the assistant last night to McLaren, no doubt was the prime mover in that formation. Don't let him within an ass's roar of the Irish job.
it is beyond belief that venebles is even being mentioned. cant remember who but i heard him included on some sports writers shortlist of 3 managers for the Irish job. what has he ever done in management worth talking about?
id have stan back before i would accept venebles. he is nothing more than a smarmy smart ass, self serving failure who has destroyed some of the clubs he has been with. the fact that he has just been sacked and is available worries me greatly
As posted above, Independent newspapers are virtually acting as his agent.
James Lawton, Dion Fanning, Paul Hyland...
I'd rather have Big Ron than El Tel. That sunbed using fraud must have a lot of contacts in the print media for all these journalists to be getting so excited about him in their columns.
i once met terry venables in oneills in leicester square
it is slightly wrong to assume that our pitches are any worse than those on the continent. if you talk to any spanish young lad, for example, they will tell you that the pitches they played on were usually hard, dusty and bumby surfaces. any foreign lads from spain, south italy etc that have joined the club i play for are delighted to see a bit of grass when they come to play here. obviously not comparable with players playing club / international level but all players in a country will start off playing on such pitches until they are nabbed by a professional club.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
i think that the lack of technical ability is more to do with culture, tradition and what the crowds attending the matches expect. the british footballing public, for example, wouldnt have the patience for the style of play as seen in the italian or spanish lges. rather they expect the ball to be lumped forward at 100 miles an hour and expect the ball to be pinging around the pen area for 90 mins
If Venables gets the Ireland job my heart will be broken. I don't think I could take it. I'd seriously consider stopping going to Ireland games. The man is a fraud and a sham and it's not just that he has no links to Ireland (that's fine by me) it's that he appears somehow the opposite of everything you'd want in an Irish manager or indeed an Irishman. I can't imagine him even having Irish friends other than bejewelled property developers.
I didn't think I could hate Independent Newspapers any more than I already did, but I do now.
I don't think technique is the problem. England have some of the best passers in the world. They have some skillful players too. What they're missing is the playmakers, the brains. That's where the fabulous one touch passing comes from of the better continental teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Anyway, I can't believe Venables is favourite. I really hope the FAI have sense here.
After last night I think Delaney's reported preference for a "non British/Irish" focused manager may be spot on.
I think we need to re-focus our game. When you look at Croatia last night. They had no qualms in playing Modric a very skillful but slight player. IMO he was the best player on the pitch. We have a couple of players in A.Reid and S.Ireland, while not as good as Modric, we have struggled to integrate both of them into the side. I think this is down to the "British" mentality of not trusting these types of players i.e. "lazy" players.
The rest of the side was big and athletic though. Kovac in midfield is a giant! And 36 years old.
Will the joke be on us after cheering the Croats to the rafters?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Queiroz
Would he be a good selection as manager? He's had great success at Youth Level for Portugal. Has manage South Africa and Real Madrid. Has good English. Probably has a good knowledge of Irish players in the Premiership.
Good article this: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle2910642.ece
Not really sure what thread to post it in, this seemed a best fit
Some of the candidates being proposed will have me hanging from the rafters.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Technique is definitely the problem IMO. Whilst England have players who can accurately pass the ball, they don't really have anyone with any great vision. Beckham is a fantastic passer but IMO he hasn't got much vision. Gerrard is probably their player with the most vision. Without vision, and like you say, brains, you can thread accurate passes all game but you won't get far with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
We have a better player in this regard (probably going to get slaughtered for this) in Andy Reid. Look at the goal he set up for Keane at home to Israel. England players wouldn't be able to do that very often.
Last night I was flicking between the England and NI games and it struck me just how much better Spain were playing in this regard than England. They were threading passes together with ease and were always creating space for each other.
One thing that stood out for me watching the underage teams in the last couple of years was the sheer number of "speculative" passes we play. Not necessarily hoofs but low % passes over a longish distance which, even if accurate, are hard to control. This was particularly apparent in the U19 game in Germany where we played a great first half, made a forced substitution bringing on the tall Cillian Sheridan and our game went to pot afterwards.
Croatia passed the ball well and usually short, held it well, brought people into the game & they took up good positions. All simple stuff really. We make a couple of passes and if an opening doesn't become available we'll play a speculative ball. Better teams will just play it around for another phase and wait for the opening.
Surely this isn't that difficult to teach?
The distribution of the Croation back four was very accurate and composed. I couldn't help drawing comparisons between the assured manner in which the Croat defence fed the midfield to an image of McShane's painfully awkward presence on the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Vision comes under intelligence though.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmurphyc
Yes but what I'm saying is that it's no good being an amazing passer but having no vision, otherwise you won't be able to find holes in the opposition or be able to find others in space. You'd just end up passing it back and forth and not creating chances.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
That's exactly my point. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jmurphyc
Ok must have misunderstood then. :o
And both are ye are only half right. If there is someone on the team who isnt on the "same level" then a player who has vision i.e. can make an opening or space with a pass then he is going to be hitting balls into open spaces with no one near it..... its 50/50, thats what i mentioned before about keane and reid being on the "same level"Quote:
Yes but what I'm saying is that it's no good being an amazing passer but having no vision, otherwise you won't be able to find holes in the opposition or be able to find others in space. You'd just end up passing it back and forth and not creating chances.
And, whoever said beckham doesnt have vision hasn't a clue. That pass to crouch was perfect vision cos he picked exactly where he had to put the ball, knowning the direction crouch was running and hit it perfectly over the defender and into that hole. UNreal pass. I cant remember when I have seen as good a pass as that.
That was me. Can't remember the Crouch pass, I was in another room when someone told me England has scored so only got to see the last bit of the replay. I haven't really watched much of Beckham in a good while, but he is obviously an amazing passer but from what I can remember he doesn't generally thread through balls that show great awareness of any kind, they're usually just incredibly accurate. He'd only occasionally play a ball that shows great vision. However, perhaps I've just forgotten how good he is in regards to this.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
They should appoint Brian Barwick if only to warn them off appointing that fraud Venables.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I see what you are saying, and though correct to an extent, i think you are looking at it a bit one sided. His passess from one side to the other/over the top of defences is extremely accurate and that accuracy creates openings, players run on and in behind the defender. Its not just as simple as being extremely accurate, there is intelligence there, as he reads exactly where he has to hit it. YOu can be extremely accurate, but if you dont know where you want to hit it then it wont make the slight bit of difference i.e. it wont create openings and beckham can do this. We havent seen much of it lately but he can. His vision may not be as good as reids/on the same level but he certainly has it. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jmurphyc
Yeah I pretty much agree with what you're saying. However, all I'm really trying to say is that whilst Beckham may have some vision, there are tons of players out there who have far more than them. For starters the 11 opposition players last night. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
On another note just realised what thread this in. Didn't realise and sorry for completely bringing it off topic. Back to the new manager talk...
Jewell out of the running.
New name for you - Pat Walker
Really? Do you know much about him. Took me a while to find out he's manager of Orebro in Sweden.
One name that I don't think has been mentioned at all that I think would do a good job is Gordan Strachan. I'd obviously be surprised if he got the job/was interested but I found it a bit strange he hasn't been mentioned at all.
Also anyone see England's press conference this morning? The FAI could learn a thing or two from them.
Giles now backing Venables with Jewell out of the race. Pat Walker has put his hat in the ring but could be too late
Is that Pat Walker - our man in Sweden???Quote:
Originally Posted by soccerc
... "was" the manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Jewell out of running, down to Houllier & Venables I hear.
Pat Walker, now there's a name from leftfield. One of the guys on chatsoccer.eu is a big fan.
If the FAI decided to appoint somebody to the U21 job as a stepping stone to the senior job, I think Patrick Walker would be a good choice for this job.
But as things currently stand he isn't what we are looking for.
If the media (Newstalk, Examiner, (non) Independent etc...) continue to either advocate or discuss Venables' candidacy surely they can also ask for opinions on people like Hodgson or Jol.
I hope to fcuk someone decent bumps into the FAI out in Durban.
It's time these "kingmakers" were announced asap.
Has anyone actually told the FAI that there's no way in hell the fans would support the appointment of Venables?
And even if someone did, would it make a difference?