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I think the beef is that Ferguson wants out? Maybe its not too much more past that. When he has been fit the manager has messed him about at times givining him 4 or 5 minutes at the end of games, bit of a joke really and would **** off any player.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
There was a bunch of rumours that Welbeck had a row with Hurzeler over the way he was treating Ferguson as well - not confirmed from what I know.
Sometimes managers just have an irrational dislike for a player. Trapattoni Vs Andy Reid as an example. Cultures clash etc. Regardless it clearly isn't working so good for him to be getting out
It's difficult to believe clubs such as Chelsea or Arsenal see Ferguson as anything other than bench fodder - which is his current status at Brighton. Relegation-threatened clubs also would be similarly stingy with game time if impact wasn't immediate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
I'm disinclined to believe Hürzeler has personal dislike or bias. He's a manager lumbered with a striker who doesn't strike. That's exactly why Ferguson is not in the Brighton team and why, if it continues elsewhere (following a very brief honeymoon period) he won't last in any other EPL team. Going to the continent at this stage of his career would stack even more weight on young shoulders.
That leaves the Championship where the tolerance level by a promotion hopeful would be about four/five starts max. Difficult as it is to swallow, even that looks challenging for the Evan Ferguson we've witnessed this season.
Brighton are a shambles today. Ferguson looking the fittest I've seen him in a year . Hopefully gets a move brighton just don't make chances for central striker , everything is wide looking to drop front man into midfield and put runners from midfield and wide into the box into the central striker area.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snapshot
Seems like the kind of tactics that will get you beat 7-0 alright.Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
It is pretty clear that Hurseler is not up to the job - Brighton fans are screaming that it is obvious that he completely out of his depth and want him sacked. If that is a possibility then I suspect that Ferguson won't go anywhere - they wait until they appoint a new guy to the job (and the preferred option among the fans seems to be McKenna).Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
Brighton are in bad shape at the moment ~ The manager must be under serious pressure now ~ You may have strong point about keeping Ferguson now until they get a new manager, if they get a new manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant
I think evan needs to take responsibility though as well. His fittest levels this season really were woeful up to Christmas. When you have an ankle injury you can still have professional level fitness from.the b8ke, pool running, the anti gravity treadmills etc. Very unprofessional how heavy and unfit he has been. That's on him. Bit on the bright side looked so much lighter and athletic today. Hecwoukd score lots of goals at arsenalQuote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant
Joining West Ham on loan till the end of the season,no option to buy though….
West Ham ‘reach agreement’ for Arsenal, Chelsea forward target with ‘medical’ set
https://www.football365.com/news/wes...ighton-medical
Not sure why the scare quotes on any of that.
He’ll get lots of game time which is the main thing, and if he (fingers crossed) does well then he’ll have increased/restored his value.Quote:
Originally Posted by joey B
It’s a big opportunity for him.
Yeah, quite interesting that it’s a loan with no option/obligation to buy. Could be viewed in a number of ways, e.g. if Brighton are resigned to losing him, they don’t want it to be for a knockdown price. If he rips it up at West Ham his value will shoot back up. It could also mean that they’re beginning to look at the manager a bit, he hasn’t exactly been a roaring success, Brighton are more or less where they were position wise at the end of last season but they don’t appear to me to be quite as good and as seen yesterday are vulnerable to a trouncing which suggests more than just an off day.There’s definitely some kind of transition going on. I was a little concerned at Brighton’s seeming anxiety to offload Ferguson as it suggested some kind of long-term or permanent problem, particularly injury-wise. I’d be inclined to view developments in the past 24 hours as being fairly positive on that front.Main thing is that he’ll play and is going back to a manager in Potter who knows him and will have him playing to his strengths. There’s no doubt but that the kid is very, very good and if he stays fit and scores goals, the biggest and best in Europe will open the wallets wide in the summer.
Assuming it’s all gone through without a hitch, it’ll be interesting to see whether he’s playing tomorrow night
I reckon he'll still be a sub until next week at the earliest given his lack of games. Decent move, West Ham are far from the worst team in the league and he'll get good opportunities given their striker situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fly
Brighton might be in bad shape, but Evan looks leaner and fitter than I’ve ever seen him.
Yeah, I suppose I meant whether he'll play tomorrow night, as opposed to 'playing' which implies starting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Acornvilla
Having said that I wouldn't be shocked if he actually did start.
There is not option to buy because Tony Bloom isn't convinced that Hurzeler is up to the job of manager - if Hurzeler is replaced in the summer then keeping Ferguson gives more options to the new manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fizzer
Update: West Ham's match against Brentford on the 15th will be his debut if all is signed and sealed.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fly
It's just a three month loan really then. Mid February to May. West Ham out of all cups so he'll just have the 14 or so league games to make an impression, in a team that are already well clear of relegation trouble but are also miles off the European places. A low-pressure environment for him to play in is probably the positive aspect of that situation I guess.
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...box=1739577609
Interesting quotes from Potter on Ferguson. All bodes well for him to hit the ground running.
Will be a pleasant surprise if he starts today at home to Brentford.
Doesn't start. Looks like Kudus or Bowen. Assume he will be in for a good 20 minutes at least.
From Brightons bench to West Hams. Pointless move.
Yes the move is automatically a failure because a player who'd been out for weeks since Christmas with an ankle injury with just one 17mins appearance since then two weeks ago automatically didn't go straight into the starting XI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joxerbrowne
He's been training for weeks now, should be fit enough to start by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ~YTM~
So he should have stayed to continue sitting on the bench at Brighton where he’s just not a fit in the managers plans? Instead of a change of scenery to a club that needs a 9 and under a manager who knows him and gave him his break? Come on…Quote:
Originally Posted by Joxerbrowne
As it turns out ~ ~ A move ( probably loan move ) to Arsenal could have happened if Havertz happened to get injured a bit sooner ~ ~ Ships in the night ! !
On at half time
Sets one up for Kudus with a cut back after a fine run into the box - Kudus misses a sitter basically.
Watched the last 20 minutes. He looked lively and looks much, much happier. Pity they lost but bad tactics from Potter more than anything else. I don't think we'll be waiting long for him to score
He looked decent. Coming on against Brentford when they are up isn't an easy ask. But he moved and pressed, did okay when used as an out ball. Created a chance for himself with good feet that he might have done better with and it was the type of chance we have seen him score a good few times in his fledgling career.
West Ham with Bowen, Kudus and Paqueta can hopefully create chances for him on other days.
They need to get from back to front much faster. The amount of ball played across the back was mad. The lad Scarles must have passed the ball back to Kilman almost every time he had it.Quote:
Originally Posted by rebelmusic
Agreed. They were still doing it in the 94th minute and it was infuriating. Hopefully they go on a good run though. A healthy Potter should mean a healthy Ferguson :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
Only saw the MotD highlights but he looked quick enough with that burst down the right wing just after he came on. Definitely no signs of long term or permanent impacts from the injury setbacks he has had.
If he shows any kind of form over the next month he should start both legs against Bulgaria. He's had a tough run but he's still the closest to a complete centre forward that we have by a distance.
I'd say once he's fit he starts given how Hallgrinssom has talked up his ability in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
Ferguson on bench again today. I just don't get it from his point of view. When the loan was being lined up would he or his agent not have insisted he's only going somewhere he was guaranteed to play, even if like Bazunu he just goes to a different league to build his fitness.
Even if we think worst case scenario that he's just not as good as we thought then can only be seen by playing actual games. He's been at West Ham a month now so fitness can't be an excuse anymore. I just don't get it. There's only a few months left in the season and bench warming at another club is utterly pointless and it just seems stupid from his and his advisors to go there.
I get from West Hams point of view not wanting to change winning team
Maybe if West Ham got another win or two, and the teams below make no progress with regard to avoiding relegation ~ ~ Then surely Ferguson would get some, games / game-time !
i'd think he'll get in soon. they beat Arsenal without him, hard to drop anyone. A goal off the bench tonight would be a good thing...
Wasn't a fan of this move, think he was brought in to give them an option from the bench. Should of dropped a level, Leeds or Celtic would of been ideal.Quote:
Originally Posted by elatedscum
When the move was specifically about getting game time he shouldn't have been worried about getting into whatever team. As I said I get it from West Hams point of view but Ferguson or his agent should have been smarterQuote:
Originally Posted by elatedscum
Doubt you can go to a club like West Ham (or anyone really ) and demand or be guaranteed a start. Its up to you the player to get picked. Every club has 2/3 players for every position.
He's a good player no doubt but lads assuming he's elite are dreaming. Might happen yet, probably won't. Hopefully he goes on to have a good career regardless of elite status or not. As an aside I'd hate to be a modern no.9. No balls put in to the box anymore. Come out for the odd little touch here and there and hopefully sneak a tap in sometime. Frig that.