Caoimhín Kelleher GK Brentford b.1998

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...on-summer.html

Liverpool seeking a replacement for Kelleher….

Be interesting to see where he ends up now,someone like Leicester could be a good option ….

Brentford will likely need to replace David Raya and they also strike me as someone that would take a punt on Kelleher. Think the Palace number one is about 36 and out of contract in the summer but has a year option. Someone like that could also see him as a long term number one.

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Originally Posted by joey B

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...on-summer.html

Liverpool seeking a replacement for Kelleher….

Be interesting to see where he ends up now,someone like Leicester could be a good option ….

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They over paid Liverpool for Danny Ward already. Imagine what Liverpool would ask for for Kelleher..

He won't be short of offers anyway. Top flight in the big 5.

I can't see a top flight club taking a punt on a completely unproven reserve goalkeeper as their number 1. Maybe a promoted club? Other than that I think he'll have to go down a level or go continental if he wants to be a guaranteed starter.

Villa were mentioned to me a while back by someone because they'll probably sell Martinez. I think that would be by far the best case scenario for Kelleher, but it might be a stretch. I don't rate him as highly as some others on here but I am very curious to see where he ends up and how he will do playing week in week out. I have a suspicion he might break down injured a fair bit with the intensity of regular football. It's purely speculation but he has a thin frame and already gets injured more than you'd like.

He has been fairly high profile in big cup games for Liverpool so there is a chance of a big club like Villa. It'll be an interesting summer

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Villa were mentioned to me a while back by someone because they'll probably sell Martinez. I think that would be by far the best case scenario for Kelleher, but it might be a stretch. I don't rate him as highly as some others on here but I am very curious to see where he ends up and how he will do playing week in week out. I have a suspicion he might break down injured a fair bit with the intensity of regular football. It's purely speculation but he has a thin frame and already gets injured more than you'd like.

He has been fairly high profile in big cup games for Liverpool so there is a chance of a big club like Villa. It'll be an interesting summer

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Spurs are the other club I've seen mentioned as Lloris is 36 and Forster 35 so they'll certainly be looking for a new keeper. Really depends on who they get in as manager though I'd say.

The inner jury is very much still out on Kelleher. Liverpool fans were convinced Danny Ward was brilliant and only didn't get in because Allison was so amazing. We simply haven't seen enough of Kelleher to make an informed judgement - something which will affect his fee.

Sorry I don't recall Liverpool fans ever waxing lyrical about Ward unless you can direct me to the evidence. It's weird but there is a very sharp discrepancy of views between LFC fans and a particular faction on this site with respect to Kelleher. Still struggling to understand why but I guess until he is performing well regularly at a PL level, some people will remain sceptical.

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Originally Posted by zero

Liverpool fans were convinced Danny Ward was brilliant and only didn't get in because Allison was so amazing.

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Ward and Alisson didn't overlap.

Ward was third choice behind Karius and Mignolet. The summer they signed Alisson, they sold Ward to Leicester. Ward never even progressed to second choice. Admittedly the difference between Mignolet, Karius and Ward wasn't that huge.

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Originally Posted by third policeman

It's weird but there is a very sharp discrepancy of views between LFC fans and a particular faction on this site with respect to Kelleher. Still struggling to understand why ....

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Did a quick skim of a Liverpool forum about Kelleher, and there is broad agreement he needs to be playing to improve his lot as Alisson is firmly number 1. So, while there are complementary comments about Kelleher, there are more about him in the context of being a good back-up keeper for Alisson. And isn’t that the same as comments posted here? Complementary but acknowledgement he needs to be playing to be number 1.

I think there is a difference. The predominant sentiment on LFC forums is that he needs (as in deserves) to be playing more regularly for the sake of his career. There’s generally an acknowledgment that he is a very capable keeper. I’d be surprised if you found much actual criticism of his performances. This is slightly different to the views of some on this forum. They may also say be needs to play more regularly but this is generally in a more critical context that questions his ability and his credentials as an international keeper, “Needs” in this context has a different and more critical emphasis.

kelleher will get a decent PL move. I think its too much of an obvious one for brentford , they arent the biggest of spenders. still think leicester will shell out for him as the new manager will badly need a "modern" gk who has ability with the ball at his feet.

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Originally Posted by Jd2793

kelleher will get a decent PL move. I think its too much of an obvious one for brentford , they arent the biggest of spenders. still think leicester will shell out for him as the new manager will badly need a "modern" gk who has ability with the ball at his feet.

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If Leicester stay up, they'll be looking for a proven PL goalkeeper. They aren't going to risk their status as a PL club on an unproven goalie.

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Originally Posted by Jd2793

kelleher will get a decent PL move. I think its too much of an obvious one for brentford , they arent the biggest of spenders. still think leicester will shell out for him as the new manager will badly need a "modern" gk who has ability with the ball at his feet.

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You know what, reading this he'd probably fit in surprisingly well at Man Utd, who are having issues with just this problem - a manager who wants his keeper to be good playing the ball - and will probably need a new keeper soon. But that would never happen for a variety of reasons.

I think some people are over-estimating his chances of a top tier move here. Far more likely he'll go to a Championship team, unless he's willing to go further afield?

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Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter

You know what, reading this he'd probably fit in surprisingly well at Man Utd, who are having issues with just this problem - a manager who wants his keeper to be good playing the ball - and will probably need a new keeper soon. But that would never happen for a variety of reasons.

I think some people are over-estimating his chances of a top tier move here. Far more likely he'll go to a Championship team, unless he's willing to go further afield?

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He'd be better off going to the Championship ~ Where the pressure would not be so big, for a season at least.

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Originally Posted by seanfhear

He'd be better off going to the Championship ~ Where the pressure would not be so big, for a season at least.

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Sorry seanfhear, I dont mean this as a dig at you here but this is something that drives me nuts. Top professionals in any industry dont shy away from pressure, big jobs come with a certain amount of pressure. It doesnt matter if its in business or sports, if you dont want any pressure then stay where its nice and comfortable, but dont expect to improve. We are seeing a lot of comments these days that we shouldnt be putting too much pressure on Evan Ferguson. Let him stay at Brighton for a few years etc. Top players want to play at the highest level possible. If Champions League clubs come in for Ferguson he would absolutely have to consider it. Staying at Brighton considering he is only 18 would still be fine of course, but if the big boys are offering massive money then how does he not move, given that you never know what happens in future with injuries etc.

Same with Kelleher here, he 24, his time of hiding from pressure should be long past. Fair enough if the best offer he gets is from the Championship then thats where he should go, but not as a way to keep the pressure down a bit.

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Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter

You know what, reading this he'd probably fit in surprisingly well at Man Utd, who are having issues with just this problem - a manager who wants his keeper to be good playing the ball - and will probably need a new keeper soon. But that would never happen for a variety of reasons.

I think some people are over-estimating his chances of a top tier move here. Far more likely he'll go to a Championship team, unless he's willing to go further afield?

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i dont think so. id prefer if he was playing obviously but i do think people are going a bit OTT with the criticism against him for being no2 and not playing. clubs have every angle covered these days they'll have enough of a read off kelleher now to judge how they'd think he'd fare out. a championship move would be a real step backwards for him tbh. hopefully leicester can stay up as i think they are a club who'll have a good scope to rebuild themselve back into being a top half-ish side.

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Originally Posted by seanfhear

He'd be better off going to the Championship ~ Where the pressure would not be so big, for a season at least.

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waste of time. we've seen already the pressure doesnt faze him. there are questions around his shot stopping ability at the top level i would say but definitely not around his ability to deal with pressure.

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Originally Posted by Jd2793

i dont think so. id prefer if he was playing obviously but i do think people are going a bit OTT with the criticism against him for being no2 and not playing. clubs have every angle covered these days they'll have enough of a read off kelleher now to judge how they'd think he'd fare out. a championship move would be a real step backwards for him tbh. hopefully leicester can stay up as i think they are a club who'll have a good scope to rebuild themselve back into being a top half-ish side.

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I've been a critic. It's probably more pronounced because we could use an experienced keeper. As much as I like Bazunu he's still a baby in GK terms and it would be nice if Kelleher has a season or two behind him.

A lot of the criticism of our various prospects is probably exaggerated out of pure desperation for them to kick on!

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Originally Posted by ontheotherhand

A lot of the criticism of our various prospects is probably exaggerated out of pure desperation for them to kick on!

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Sometimes it's a reaction to hype too. Blind optimism can be as annoying as the pessimism.

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Sorry seanfhear, I dont mean this as a dig at you here but this is something that drives me nuts. Top professionals in any industry dont shy away from pressure, big jobs come with a certain amount of pressure. It doesnt matter if its in business or sports, if you dont want any pressure then stay where its nice and comfortable, but dont expect to improve. We are seeing a lot of comments these days that we shouldnt be putting too much pressure on Evan Ferguson. Let him stay at Brighton for a few years etc. Top players want to play at the highest level possible. If Champions League clubs come in for Ferguson he would absolutely have to consider it. Staying at Brighton considering he is only 18 would still be fine of course, but if the big boys are offering massive money then how does he not move, given that you never know what happens in future with injuries etc.

Same with Kelleher here, he 24, his time of hiding from pressure should be long past. Fair enough if the best offer he gets is from the Championship then thats where he should go, but not as a way to keep the pressure down a bit.

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There's a good reason for that though. Franny Jeffers being famous prime example of why a big move at a young age can be a terrible idea. And there are many more.

why do people think kelleher has hidden from pressure? hes played in full internationals for ireland and cup finals for liverpool, hes done well with the pressure in those games. he was getting grief on here 2 weeks ago because people think he looks too casual with the ball at his feet! people need to make their minds up.

I think the goalkeeper debate has created a polarisation of views on this forum to some extent. I think some Bazunu advocates are overly critical of Kelleher, to the extent that if Kelleher had conceded the goal against France, there would be comments about his footwork, positioning and shot stopping ability.

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Originally Posted by third policeman

I think the goalkeeper debate has created a polarisation of views on this forum to some extent. I think some Bazunu advocates are overly critical of Kelleher, to the extent that if Kelleher had conceded the goal against France, there would be comments about his footwork, positioning and shot stopping ability.

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yes its the baby culture war in irish football atm, kenny in/out still leads the way.

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Sorry seanfhear, I dont mean this as a dig at you here but this is something that drives me nuts. Top professionals in any industry dont shy away from pressure, big jobs come with a certain amount of pressure. It doesnt matter if its in business or sports, if you dont want any pressure then stay where its nice and comfortable, but dont expect to improve. We are seeing a lot of comments these days that we shouldnt be putting too much pressure on Evan Ferguson. Let him stay at Brighton for a few years etc. Top players want to play at the highest level possible. If Champions League clubs come in for Ferguson he would absolutely have to consider it. Staying at Brighton considering he is only 18 would still be fine of course, but if the big boys are offering massive money then how does he not move, given that you never know what happens in future with injuries etc.

Same with Kelleher here, he 24, his time of hiding from pressure should be long past. Fair enough if the best offer he gets is from the Championship then thats where he should go, but not as a way to keep the pressure down a bit.

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That is all well and good from Kellehers point of view, but what top flight manager, 13 sacked so far this season, is going to risk his job on an unproven goalie, with a handful of professional games to his name, and put him into his first 11??

Kelleher needs to be playing. It’s no good for his own development moving from Liverpool’s bench to another teams bench.

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Originally Posted by weldoninhio

That is all well and good from Kellehers point of view, but what top flight manager, 13 sacked so far this season, is going to risk his job on an unproven goalie, with a handful of professional games to his name, and put him into his first 11??

Kelleher needs to be playing. It’s no good for his own development moving from Liverpool’s bench to another teams bench.

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He certainly needs to be playing alright.

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Originally Posted by Eirambler

There's a good reason for that though. Franny Jeffers being famous prime example of why a big move at a young age can be a terrible idea. And there are many more.

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And there are plenty that work too.

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Originally Posted by weldoninhio

That is all well and good from Kellehers point of view, but what top flight manager, 13 sacked so far this season, is going to risk his job on an unproven goalie, with a handful of professional games to his name, and put him into his first 11??

Kelleher needs to be playing. It’s no good for his own development moving from Liverpool’s bench to another teams bench.

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You may have missed the part where I said if the best offer he gets is from the Championship that's fair enough

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Originally Posted by weldoninhio

That is all well and good from Kellehers point of view, but what top flight manager, 13 sacked so far this season, is going to risk his job on an unproven goalie, with a handful of professional games to his name, and put him into his first 11??

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I don’t think you realise that playing for Liverpool in the champions league, in a cup final and internationally is of more value to a premier league manager than Bazunu’s appearances in League 1.

Why would a premier league manager sign him? Cause he’s objectively a better goalkeeper than Vincente Guaita, Danny Ward, and Illan Meslier - and if you’re a team replacing their keeper, as a team like Aston Villa might be (if Martinez ends up at Spurs), Kelleher is an affordable player with real upside and potential, who if you don’t sign now, you may not be able to sign again.

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Originally Posted by John83

Sometimes it's a reaction to hype too. Blind optimism can be as annoying as the pessimism.

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I've probably been guilty of both on this thread alone...

Kelleher's path could work out very well for him. Maybe better than Bazunu throwing himself into the EPL deep end. I do still have questions around how he will handle the physical and mental rigors of a full season and I don't think the questions around how he handles pressure are that unusual either. Could we really call any of the league cup games or friendlies/NL games for Ireland high pressure scenarios? I'm not too sure but to be honest, but my memory is crap. He looks calm and composed and he does well in peno shootouts but he hasn't really played any games where losing was a disaster has he?

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Originally Posted by ontheotherhand

I've probably been guilty of both on this thread alone...

Kelleher's path could work out very well for him. Maybe better than Bazunu throwing himself into the EPL deep end. I do still have questions around how he will handle the physical and mental rigors of a full season and I don't think the questions around how he handles pressure are that unusual either. Could we really call any of the league cup games or friendlies/NL games for Ireland high pressure scenarios? I'm not too sure but to be honest, but my memory is crap. He looks calm and composed and he does well in peno shootouts but he hasn't really played any games where losing was a disaster has he?

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denigrating the league cup seems to be all the rage. he played in a cup final and if he didnt make the saves/score his pen they'd have lost. are you saying losing a final at wembley doesnt matter to players? its entirely possible to give the lad a bit of credit aswell, strange i know

Nobody can know how good Kelleher can be, until he is playing regularly.

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Originally Posted by elatedscum

I don’t think you realise that playing for Liverpool in the champions league, in a cup final and internationally is of more value to a premier league manager than Bazunu’s appearances in League 1.

Why would a premier league manager sign him? Cause he’s objectively a better goalkeeper than Vincente Guaita, Danny Ward, and Illan Meslier - and if you’re a team replacing their keeper, as a team like Aston Villa might be (if Martinez ends up at Spurs), Kelleher is an affordable player with real upside and potential, who if you don’t sign now, you may not be able to sign again.

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I don't think you can say that about a guy who has only played 30 senior games in his career, we just don't have the body of evidence to say he's at that level. Evan Ferguson will have played more senior football than him by the end of this season, and he's 18.

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Originally Posted by ontheotherhand

but he hasn't really played any games where losing was a disaster has he?

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there's very few games where losing is a disaster to be fair

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

there's very few games where losing is a disaster to be fair

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I mean not on the scale of a biblical flood but there's far more at stake in WC qualifiers, relegation 6 pointers and European promotion deciders than any games he's played in so far.

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Originally Posted by Jd2793

denigrating the league cup seems to be all the rage. he played in a cup final and if he didnt make the saves/score his pen they'd have lost. are you saying losing a final at wembley doesnt matter to players? its entirely possible to give the lad a bit of credit aswell, strange i know

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I have given him credit but the league cup is what it is. Great day for him and probably the highlight of his career so far but nobody was going home crying if they lost. Or maybe they would have, they put out a strong team. I just don't think it gives us the complete signal. It's a short campaign so I don't think it really tells us much about his ability to handle the pressure of a league campaign where fans can turn on you after bad performances etc. Bazunu is facing that right now for better or worse.

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Originally Posted by ontheotherhand

I mean not on the scale of a biblical flood but there's far more at stake in WC qualifiers, relegation 6 pointers and European promotion deciders than any games he's played in so far.

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Fair. He's played Champions League group stages as well of course. Turned out to be an easy game, but still a big game. You'd like to think a thing keeper will put pressure on himself in every game too, though I know that's a different kind of pressure.

But look, if he gets a move and gets regular time even in the Championship, that'll be good

Linked with Brighton, Brentford and Spurs at the moment. Though football rumours are often unreliable, so we'll have to wait and see what happens

https://www.balls.ie/football/premie...elleher-553368

The Brentford rumour comes from the S*n, make of that what you will
Interesting that the independent article that inspired the balls.ie post - https://www.independent.ie/sport/soc...431462727.html - includes this transfer rumour

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Meanwhile, West Ham are hoping to beat competition from a host of Premier League rivals, including Chelsea and Tottenham, to sign Ireland youth prospect Joe O’Brien-Whitmarsh.
The 17-year-old midfielder is currently playing for Cork City and has already had a trial at West Ham a couple of years ago, with the club keeping a close eye on his progress ever since.

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cant believe a PL club are thinking of giving him a chance. has he not been wasting away for 3 years?

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Originally Posted by ontheotherhand

I mean not on the scale of a biblical flood but there's far more at stake in WC qualifiers, relegation 6 pointers and European promotion deciders than any games he's played in so far.

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Fair. He's played Champions League group stages as well of course. Turned out to be an easy game, but still a big game.

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He played for Liverpool against Chelsea in the premier league when Liverpool were neck and neck with City going for the title. I guess that’s a low pressure game?

Some of the stuff on this thread is kinda mad.