In that position, yes.
What's yer point, if any?
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In that position, yes.
What's yer point, if any?
I think the system is predictable and makes everybody who plays in it look predictable, but the only area of the pitch where we can actually conjure a bit of magic is on the wings and Robbie around the box.
We only have three properly technical wide players who can hold up the ball and bring others into play: Duff, McGeady and Lawrence. So I think Trap is taking a big risk leaving Lawrence at home. If we lost Duff and, god forbid, McGeady, I think we would have to radically alter the game plan. Fahey can play there at a pinch but his fitness is in doubt too.
Hmm, would disagree almost completely. Looks like we'll have to beg to differ on this one.
Don't get me wrong, I think McClean has a very important role. We seem to create about 2-3 solid chances per game and usually wind up scoring at least one of them, so we are one of the most efficient teams in world football, but I think McClean is far more valuable in the last 30 minutes than the first 60.
Maybe, but just let's say one of his rivals hasn't really impressed me in about 5 years now...
And I've given up on them ever doing anything.
I haven't been impressed by Alan O'Brien in a long time either.
One plus for McClean is that most of the opposition would be rather unfamiliar with him, but I expect they will do their homework.
However as he is still developing, he is more likely to produce I surprise then say Duff or McGeady who are pretty much 'set in their ways'.
But then the downside would be his lack of experience, but the unknown always has an allure.
He always looks tired. Always. That's his thing...Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
If any of the wingers were to be dropped it would have to be McGeady. I'm a big McGeady fan but he definitely does his best work on the left. Duff is better on the left also but adapts better to life on the right than McGeady. I am more than happy for McClean to play the impact sub role for this tournament anyway.
I understand that one of the reasons Trap called McClean into the squad early is to try him out on the right and see how he can cut inside onto his left and cut up play. Trap envisages McClean as someone who can play on either side; not just the left.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Yeah I think Trap definitely recognises that McGeady is much better on the left too. Duff won't be around for too much longer in any case, certainly the most likely retirement after the Euros I feel, so it will be important that McClean can do well on the right as I don't feel that McGeady will ever be as effective on that side.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
I think McClean will be capable of drawing his fair share of free kicks, which will be important for us. I don't know about his touch, but if it's decent he'll be a great out ball because, let's face it, we're going to be under pressure in possession. Duff is great at buying time and giving others a chance to get back into shape.
And yer point is, still?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
James would be brilliant on the counter. Kind of like McGeady but with a bit more end-product (less running into trouble).
Lucky you added that clarifying clause. I thought you were going to slag off his crossing abilities! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Predator
I think McClean loses the ball nearly as much as McGeady. His direct style guarantees this. McGeady probably loses possession in a more frustrating way as you can clearly see he is taking on that one man too much. I think the way McClean loses the ball leaves you more vulnerable to the counter attack though, but we don't have to worry about that as we'll have a minimum of nine players 30-40 yards deeper than him anticipating that he will lose it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Predator
It might have worked in the qualifiers, but this is the finals now. I really can't envisage us being so gung-ho.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Haha I know, I only said 30-40 yards because that's where I pictured Kevin Doyle being positionedQuote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Interesting point about the manner in which McGeady wastes possession. I think that his tendency to dally is the only complaint I have about him. I absolutely hate that in football. Can't wait for him to score a Maradona now.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
i know people claim mcgeady is two footed but to me he seems more comfortable on the right. Trap usually plays him on the left and that inevitably leads to him being less inclined to whip the ball accross and instead take on that extra player to try and gain better positionQuote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
http://espnfc.com/uk/en/news/1073831...-shopping.html
James named in list of ten players who could earn a transfer with a good Euro showing, according to this article.
One for the Northern boys.
Is James' surname pronounced as its spelt Mac Clean or is it pronounced Mac Clane (as in Bruce Willis Die Hard)?
Two mates of mine were having this argument last night in the pub and I didn't know myself.... It's not a surname we get in Connacht :)
The latter, confirmed by the man himself.
The pronunciation is derived from the Scots Gaelic 'Mac Gille Eathain'.
Cheers lads :)
I've penned a few songs for the Euros and included a James McClean song...
There is the radio version which goes like this....
He wouldn't sing god save the queen
McClean McClean
So he told the north they could keep their team
McClean McClean
But now he plays for the Boys in Green
He always chants Amhrán na bhFiann
Jame McClean..Derrys Golden Boy
The non radio version is on this link...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=oModUb-NbdI
I've never know a football crowd not to enjoy the odd curse word so I hope people are not easily offended!
My only reason for writing them is so we are not singing (as much as I like it) 'Come on You Boys in Green' for the whole tournament!
See what ye think and......Come on Ireland!!!
It's a shame McClean doesn't rhyme with any of those words though. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by LFCSixty/Eighty
Unless you sing it in a Belfast accent... Maybe...
Some of the rougher Dublin accents too.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
78.00 Mins McClean cleverly cuts out a Spanish pass, yes!!!
A pass from a Spaniard who was under no pressure is cut out by McClean!!
So why didn't he start?
Should *have* started.
80.12 McClean forces a classy Spanish player into making a pass back to the goal keeper.
Yes, for a few minutes I wonder had the teams swapped shirts because The Spanish were looking
like the Irish and the Irish (one of) were looking like the Spanish!!
Yes he definitely should of - glad someone agrees with me!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
82.26 Spain have a corner, 6 Irish player in the box, and 1 (unmarked!!) Spanish player, the Irish seem to me marking the penalty spot.
3 Irish player in view outside the penalty box, and 2 Spanish, only one Spanish players, one marked the other isn't.
Corner is made to the unmarked Spanish player in the box who says thank you very much and hammers it into the back of the net.
So there you have it, schoolboy defending you might say but I have never seen a team of schoolboys defend that badly.
I thinks some said that on RTE that Paul Green was culpable for that goal but of course basically the whole team was.
How we managed to keep it to 4 is a miracle!!
Just ridiculous. Again the fundamental problem is we do not mark players, no, we appear to have a far more sophisticated system then that!!
It really is quite staggering!!
It was ridiculous the first time you suggested this and it's still ridiculous. There is no combination of Ireland's 23 man squad that could have dealt with that Spanish team. McClean would have fared no better than Duff or McGeady, and, most likely, would have fared worse. Duff in particular was making tackles back in his own box.
Yes there is!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Serb
IF I were in the team we would be better for a start!!
I would have said to the other 6 Irish defender, "Look mind if I go and mark that Spanish guy over there while you have a chin wag?", even if they said no I would have marked him anyway.
I would have stood between him and the goal, when he started running toward the corner I would have gone with him, that might have stopped the attempted pass, if it didn't he would at least be under pressure and the chances of him turning, slim to none existent (even now).
In my younger days I would have got to the ball first!! :D
Then after that the commentator says "Green doesn't react near post", well of course if he had been marking the guy, as *someone of the six* should have been, it would not have
been a case if reacting, you are already in the right place.
It was not ridiculous the first time I said it, it was bang on correct, as it was every time I said it. What is ridiculous is your apparent belief in a system of defence which is totally ineffective against any team with half a brain.
Even totally unfit people who had never played football before could have made a better job of it. Our defence revolves around parking the bus and anyone with half a brain can see it is
easy to go round the bus.
Even as the player makes his run one or two players point to him as if to say he is unmarked!! I guess they would not see him until l he started moving or something like that!!
Have you even looked at the goal I referred to?
Here it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeGLnJBnVzY
Pause on 7 seconds. Look at the "marking" or rather lack thereof. It really is bazarre!!
That's utterly shocking.
85.14 McClean wins the ball by getting where he should be, between the player and the goal.
He then goes past 2 players before hoofing it up-field. Spain get the ball but try another attack but have to regroup
as he has driven their players away from our goal!!
They end up kicking it around their half like a bunch of eejits!!
86.22 again he get's the ball, under pressure from to Spanish, but he does not back pass, he carefully hoofs it up the field and
out of play, putting to an end and hopes Spain have of getting another scoring chance.
Throw in is taken but Spain have been pushed back, they try their luck the other side, by now weary of McClean but they had
so many player tied up by McClean it comes to nowt.
It is isn't it? I player basically beats the whole team single handedly because nobody even notices him before the ball is basically in the back of the net.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter
Sure you wouldn't even see that (wait for it)...in the League of Ireland!!