But when has McKell ever "done" Town???????Quote:
Originally Posted by Quietman
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But when has McKell ever "done" Town???????Quote:
Originally Posted by Quietman
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Originally Posted by Damo
Damo, That's exactly my point!! It doesn't matter who the ref is, Clubs will always find fault!!
You'd have to ask Town Fan if McKell has ever "done" them and how much McKell "hates" Town, I'm sure in Towns opinion he has "done" them several times..............................
Tipp Top and Q-Man both make valid points in relation to refs. Yes, clubmen - be they coaches, managers, officials or supporters get frustrated by the standard (or lack thereof) and deserve better and, yes, referees do give up their own time at the weekend to do games; evidently for the love the love of the game, considering the paltry remuneration they receive. But, you really have to wonder about the type of people attracted to refereeing junior football. This is not a problem unique to Tipperary. Junior refs, the country over, appear to be a breed apart. The majority just do not possess a modicum of people skills. That might sound a little like corporate/management speak and far removed from the qualities required to be a decent ref. But, if you really think about - how often have you approached a ref (without ROARING AND SHOUTING as someone already alluded to) and been given short shrift in an overly aggressive manner? I've never done a referee's course but when doing same aspiring refs must be inculcated with some kind of authoritarian/dictator type philosophy. It's akin to a normal everyday likeable guy entering the Garda College in Templemore and emerging 2 years later with some kind of personality transplant, or what could more accurately be described as their personality lobotomised (if such a thing exists!) Why can't referees (along with other authority figures in this country????) just learn to communicate with people? And why can't the FAI/leagues attract the type of person who does not aspire to becoming Pol Pot, every time he puts the referee's uniform on?
PS....Before the PC brigade jump on me for blasphemy in terms of our wonderful boys in blue these comments should be read in the tongue in cheek context in which they were intended. And, in that context, I'd just like to say that the majority of Guards and Refs have no people skills at all!
[QUOTE=Quietman;1343846]Damo, That's exactly my point!! It doesn't matter who the ref is, Clubs will always find fault!!
You'd have to ask Town Fan if McKell has ever "done" them and how much McKell "hates" Town, I'm sure in Towns opinion he has "done" them several times..............................[/QUOTE]
Ha ha - I needed a decent laugh!
I have never even mentioned Jimmy McKell. You’re the one who brought him up. Jimmy is a poor referee but I don't think he goes out to "do" anyone. I believe Jimmy has an ego problem but I must admit he has improved this seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Quietman
You seem to have a problem with me and in particular Town. You ain't a neutral.I have looked back over your posts and you like having a go at me, Clonmel Town and Muiris Walsh
I think the ref's in South Tipp are on the whole quite good. I do however have a problem with John Lyons as I do believe he has something against Clonmel Town. Also a person who attends matches, Town are no worse or no better than anyone else when it comes to abusing officials. The abuse that is handed out to ref's is not right irrespective of how much they are paid.
Jez now it's me who has a problem with Town!!:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Town Fan
All I have a problem with is moaning and passing blame.........:p
Also Town Fan when is disagreeing with someone and debating something "having a go" as you put it. Your sounding like an angry man!! Lighten up bud!
I must say Quietman, you can be very aggressive. I too have looked over you posts and the tone of your language can appear angry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quietman
Anyway, in relation to the ref's, I have to agree that Johnny Lyons is anti Town. Him apart the refs are grand, they make mistakes but who doesn't.
[QUOTE=Town Fan;1343858]Jimmy is a poor referee but I don't think he goes out to "do" anyone. I believe Jimmy has an ego problem but I must admit he has improved this season[QUOTE]
I only used McKells name as an example earlier but You seem to know "Jimmy" fairly well Town Fan. Is he a friend?? But I must say for such a "poor" referee as you put it, he seems to be doing vwell at Loi level. Is this where you've seen his improvements as I haven't seen much of him locally in years!!
Me!! angry?? Lord no!! Hope thats not the way I come across to everyone complexman.Quote:
Originally Posted by complexman
You really think Lyons is anti Town though?? I'm surprised as I never saw him favour one side over another, yea he makes mistakes like them all but to say he deliberately does it. I dunno, its just hard to believe!!
[QUOTE=Quietman;1343871][QUOTE=Town Fan;1343858]Jimmy is a poor referee but I don't think he goes out to "do" anyone. I believe Jimmy has an ego problem but I must admit he has improved this seasonJimmy McKell has done a few matches this season in the TSDL and yes he does appear to have gotten better. John Lyons has been involved in a number of poor decisions this season alone with Town. He got Ronan Stanley sent off for nothing, there was a blatant pen not given in cooke park, he failed to send off derek breen for a trip outside the box on tony scully and again last sunday.Quote:
I only used McKells name as an example earlier but You seem to know "Jimmy" fairly well Town Fan. Is he a friend?? But I must say for such a "poor" referee as you put it, he seems to be doing vwell at Loi level. Is this where you've seen his improvements as I haven't seen much of him locally in years!!
[QUOTE=Quietman;1343871][QUOTE=Town Fan;1343858]Jimmy is a poor referee but I don't think he goes out to "do" anyone. I believe Jimmy has an ego problem but I must admit he has improved this seasonI find it hard to believe that McKell is a LOI referee. This is the same guy that the League has effectively banned from reffing Premier League games since he messed up the Villa and Celtic game a few weeks back. I'm open to correction here but that game was early February and since then for the last 2 months he has been dishing out his poor decisions to teams in the second, third and fourth divisions. If ever there was a good reason not to get relegated from the first division there's one :oQuote:
I only used McKells name as an example earlier but You seem to know "Jimmy" fairly well Town Fan. Is he a friend?? But I must say for such a "poor" referee as you put it, he seems to be doing vwell at Loi level. Is this where you've seen his improvements as I haven't seen much of him locally in years!!
[QUOTE=Roberto;1343921][QUOTE=Quietman;1343871]I feel a case of deja vu here, Correct me if I'm wrong guys.................................Roberto is a supporter of Celtic who were beaten in said game and blames the referee!! Is this not just my point from earlier!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Town Fan
I haven't been on in a while but things have not changed...Quietman some of your comments are outrageously bad and as for town and complexman, they are not much better and are so pro town it's unbelievable,no credit is given to any other team.The only decent comment over the last page and a half was written by 'articulate damo'...your piece was very well phrased and you made some good points.This bickering is mad but it's fun to see how wound up everyone gets.
[QUOTE=drought90;1343998]Quietman some of your comments are outrageously bad and as for town and complexman, they are not much better and are so pro town it's unbelievable,no credit is given to any other team.QUOTE]
Yeah theres been a "drought" of decent conversation.........boom boom!!
Seriously though Which comments were outrageous????? You guys are so easily upset!!
[QUOTE=Quietman;1343950][QUOTE=Roberto;1343921]And my point being that the referee was so poor on that particular day that the League has since effectively banned him from the Premier League. All the evidence would suggest this as he has not reffed a Premier League game since early February, hardly a co-incidence???Quote:
Originally Posted by Quietman
[QUOTE=Roberto;1344017][QUOTE=Quietman;1343950]Let me get my head around your statement here, In your opinion The Tsdl who are an affiliated body of the Fai have "banned" a referee from refereeing local premier matches. The Fai have appointed the same referee to, as far as I can see on the Loi website "Stats Centre", 4 Airtricity League Div 1 games, as the referee in the first 4 weeks of the Airtricity League season. Now imo it's probably more likely that the Tsdl are giving the guys who are only doing junior games the top junior games. Afaik this is the way it's done in most other leagues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roberto
Just to let you know guys, The Fai have issued a directive to all Leagues that, National League Referees are not to be used on the top local Junior cup and league games. These are to be kept for the local refs who are doing junior matches week in week out......... so that might help your arguement.
If that is the case Referee, and I don't doubt you, then in my opinion, it is one of the most spectacularly stupid things I have ever heard. Are you honestly telling me, that the FAI has effectively banned the best referees in the local leagues, from officiating at the most important games in the local leagues, thus allowing lower standard referees their "day in the sun" ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Referee09
That makes no sense at all. That's like the IRFU telling Munster or Leinster not to pick the international players in Heineken Cup games, but to give a run out to their squad members who plod through the Magniers League.
As for the wider debate, I have great sympathy for the referees, not only in the TSDL but in every league. It's hard having just two eyes, when a couple of hundred eyes think they can see every single thing going on on the pitch, and that's without even accounting for bias that supporters enjoy. Every single club could point to 50/50 decisions that they did or didn't get in a season, but a ref only has to make one mistake and he is branded forever.
So give the ref's a chance. But, for Jesus sake, remove that stupid directive.
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Originally Posted by Insidetherock
From What I understand of the directive, and I haven't actually seen a hard copy of it, it's in the interest of fairness. Give the local referees the local games and give the national referees the national games. Im not saying that I agree with it, but thats the directive. I honestly don't think the national referees are too bothered and it keeps the local referees happy. I bet if you looked back over the last two seasons fixtures in your league, that the referee mentioned earlier won't have refereed many top local games.
Jesus, people get very upset on here. Surely, a "forum" by it's very definition should be one that permits the free flow of opinion, regardless of whether one agrees with that opinion, or not. An awful lot of posts on here reflect blatant parochialism, which the culprits don't have the honesty to admit to, but instead mask it by accusing those who with disagree with their views as being ANTI this or that. Referee09 should be held up as an example. Refs have been criticised on here (heavily so, by myself) and he just comes on gives the facts as he sees them. For that he deserves huge respect.
Very well said Damo. We all differ in opinion, and as you put it, that is what a forum is and in fact should be about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damo
Also referee09, seen as it was a refereeing decision that started this little "debate" could you please, if possible answer the following? Should a lino call a referee over, if he believes that the referee has wrongly awarded a penalty?
I know your question is directed elsewhere but I would be of the opinion the lino is perfectly entitled to call referee over if he believes he has made the wrong decision. Afterall a lino's job is to assist the referee and if he believes he has additional information that may alter a referee's decision he should be obliged to bring this to the referee's attention. Whether the referee takes his advice/opinion on board is entirely up to him as he has final say on all matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quietman
I wasn't at the Town/Tramore game but it would appear that the main source of frustration is that the referee actually gave the peno and then changed his mind after consulting with linesman. Would it have been possible for the referee to briefly consult with linesman before awarding the penalty i.e. the player goes down in the box , the referee blows his whistle to halt play while glancing at his linesman for an indication as to whether he is in a position to assist. Assuming that the lineman saw the player dive he would at this stage summon the referee over and the referee would resume play with, as occured in this case, a booking and a free out. What I am trying to suggest is that maybe referees can be impulsive and make hasty decisions at times where a more calculated response taking on board the view of his assistant may be the better course of action??
Does anyone know what the fixtures committee are up to regarding the Clonmel Town game this weekend ?
I've heard that there may be some messing going on. Clonmel Town are down to play both Peake Villa and Cashel Town on Sunday (provisionally), and also have 5 or 6 players required for Oscar Traynor tomorrow night. From what I have heard, they don't want to play Peake two days after an Oscar Traynor game, which is fair enough given that the result will have a big bearing on where the title will go, but they have threathened to pull their players from the Oscar Traynor squad unless they get some clarification beforehand.
What is happening here does anyone know ? Personally, I think it's unfair on Clonmel Town to start to get messed around at this stage of the season by the league, given that they have a large number of very important games coming up, which will have a bearing on where trophies end up locally, provincially and nationally
Regarding Clonmel, that's absolutely crazy, if that is the case. It also begs the question as to why Oscar Traynor games are taking place at weekends rather than midweek.
It is crazy.. here's the link to the weekend fixtures
http://www.tsdl.ie/fixtures/?FixID=1078
My understanding is that the League games scheduled are dependant on clubs not having players involved in the Oscar Traynor match on Friday night. If they don't have players involved or choose to withdraw players who have been selected then their league games will go ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Insidetherock
Normally this is the case, but it seems Tommy Lewis expects them to play 2 games this weekendQuote:
Originally Posted by Roberto
Oscar Traynor Result - Tipperary Southern District league 1, Cork A.U.L 2.
TSDL were very unlucky. 2 cracking goals by Cork, but they were the only chances they created. The ref was poor and favoured Cork with most decisionsQuote:
Originally Posted by nononsense
Totally agree. TSDL were excellent and didn't deserve to lose. Went ahead early through Scully, level 1-1 at halftime. TSDL dominated the second half but were caught with an excellent Cork goal against the run of play 4 minutes from the end. The players can be very proud of this display.Quote:
Originally Posted by ponyobrien
I heard from a Saints committee member that the Saints - Pike mess is up in front of the senior council at 8pm this Tuesday night, hopefully we get a final decision and one way or another we can look forward to a great FAI semi final in Cahir. Well done to Saints on winning the Tipperary Youth Cup on Saturday, Clerihan scored first but that was their only chance and Saints played the better football for the rest of the game and ran out 4 - 1 winners.
thoroughly enjoyed the cashel v clonmel town league game today in glorious sunshine,thought cashel were very unlucky to go in behind at half time,micky coleman for me was the best player on the field i thought he was excellent,3-0 flattered clonmel town a bit,2 for Barry Ryan and 1 for one of the town youths who played in midfield and was also very impressive,with one or two additions i think cashel can push on a little more next season
it is on at 3.30 but st micheals should be thrown out by 8.00 if the fai have b*lls.Quote:
Originally Posted by West Hammer
whats the story with tommy heffernan over there.is he still playing for the saints.Quote:
Originally Posted by West Hammer
Ye lost at home Friday night,in the Oscar.In a game ye should have won,,,,,,,,,,,,,,are ye not odd,,,,,even a little bit,,,,,forgive me but i find it a little strange that ye just pawn it off,,,,,,,,,,,,
was still with them up to few weeks ago, has not scored too many goals in tsdl though, they have there main striker paul kennedy back fit again for run in to the season so dunno will tommy get many starts between now and end of season
littleman dont think too many are bothered about oscar traynor, all top clubs in tipp are still involved in league and cups so there was no training or anything for oscar traynor, the manager cant even announce squads in press cause its embarressing when half the squad dont show for game, but there is serious talent in tipp premier so whatever team they do get out will put it up to anyone, my opinion is tsdl will always put out a decent but unprepared team, who will give a 100% but either way are not too bothered if they lose hence no talk about friday nights loss on here
Have to agree with you there Tipp Top.. great to see the season ending in much the saem weather conditions as it started too, glorious sunshine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tipp Top
Looking back on the season, Cashel can be happy enough with their league position I think. I know we all at the club got carried away during pre-season, but I hope people go easy on us, if we don't talk up our own team, well we're hardly supporters then are we ;)
In the end, we probably finished where we deserved, definitely not in a relegation fight, but also still a bit outside the top four. The results against Peake show though, that we can compete with the best on any given day, but we need to be able to compete with these teams consistently. Only a few times this season did we seem completely out of our depth.
It was also good to see that the mid season problems with management seem to have finally been put behind the club and well done to Eddie Walsh for stepping up in the second half of the season. But, even Eddie will probably be happy that it looks like the committee have sorted out a new manager for next season, and he's got plenty of experience in improving a club and getting the best out of the resources that he has to work with. Hopefully he'll do it again next season.
Also, Rosegreen look like they have blown a return to the Premier League next year with the loss to Galbally today and that means that there will likely be less competition between the clubs for potential players and also a possibility maybe to signing some of the current Rosegreen team who might fancy Premier football next year.
As for todays game, Clonmel were flattered by the scoreline in the end, but that's what really good teams do, win ugly. The two goals by Barry Ryan also showed Cashel Town what they missed out on when they were unable to sign him at the start of the season. He's a class player, fair play to him.
Best of luck to Clonmel Town in the FAI as well, because it's time that everyone in the league got behind the leagues representatives in all competitions. It shows the strenght of the league in Tipperary.
Finally, well done to Cashel Town B team as well. Division 3 league champions to go with the Shield they won earlier this year. The club is on the up and the game of football in the town is definitely gaining in strenght. Hopefully we can start seeing that begin again at juvenile level as well in the next few years.
All in all, time to pat ourselves on the back for a decent season.
See you all in September :p
Well said Balls.. with Clonmel Town in the FAI semis, Michaels potentially there, and with Celtic and Peake not far off either teams standards, along with a few very talented players sprinkled in the other teams, the TSDL is right up there with any league in the country, and should be challenging for the Oscar Traynor every yearQuote:
Originally Posted by balls
according to reports ye should have put cork away in the oscars?
where are they strong or weak so we can beat em!!!!! :-)