Republic of Ireland V Oman 3rd September 2014 & Georgia 7th September 2014

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Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton

Slight deflection but big result, it gave it all that dip and spin. Was off the back of Ward or O'Shea (can't remember who was directly in front of the shot) but they discussed it quite a bit on Sky at HT, which I was watching in RTE-less Belfast.

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I thought the shot deflected off the back of a Georgian, what else could explain the movement of the ferociously hit ball except a deflection of sorts.
Forde correctly positioned off his line had no chance and I doubt there's a player on the planet now who could have saved it.
A goalie would need the elastic agility of a Peter Bonetti to adjust and have a chance to make the save and they don't exist nowadays. Henry in 2006 scored past Given in his prime with (imo) a similar but much more saveable shot.

edit, I see that Joe has already made a similar point in his reply.

Indeed, it was the Georgian striker. Had thought it was a defender but they still wern't close enough to the shot to even get a touch on it (boom boom).

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Originally Posted by Mr A

Agreed. Thunderous dipping shot, damn all he could do about it.

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Nonsense, if he has been standing on a bar stool by the left hand post he would probably have saved it.

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

It is a bit like a continuation of the Trap era with the Hoolahan debate. Fans seem to love him. Managers don't.

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There must be something to it. Fans don't have to worry a hoot about the responsibilities a manager does; they have the luxury to be idealistic (or reckless and irresponsible).

Was there really a deflection? My instinct in real time was that it had to have been but in the replays it looked like a clean hit. I just thought Forde didn't take a step sideways because he thought at the moment it was struck that it was going over. If he had anticipated the top spin he'd have taken a simple step to his left and tipped it over.

That's how I saw it, no deflection. Happy to be corrected though.

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

There must be something to it. Fans don't have to worry a hoot about the responsibilities a manager does; they have the luxury to be idealistic (or reckless and irresponsible).

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I think O'Neill does rate Hoolahan. O'Neill himself said afterwards that he had overrated the opposition which explains the cautious selection. I'd be surprised if Hoolahan doesn't start several of the remaining non-Gibraltar games. He was brilliant against Italy showing he can press high up the pitch more effectively than anyone else. He put to bed the notion that he's a luxury player only of use in possession.

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Was there really a deflection? My instinct in real time was that it had to have been but in the replays it looked like a clean hit. I just thought Forde didn't take a step sideways because he thought at the moment it was struck that it was going over. If he had anticipated the top spin he'd have taken a simple step to his left and tipped it over.

That's how I saw it, no deflection. Happy to be corrected though.

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I thought there was. It definitely appears to just take a little nick off the back of the Georgian striker and the Sky guys certainly analysed it enough. It also helps explain the fairly crazy dip.

Judge for yourselves:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAXiJCGqNdE

Deflection and Forde is blameless. No deflection and I'd be critical, but objectively so.

Speaking of deflections, we were lucky a Georgian shot in the first half came off the inside of O'Shea's leg yet still managed to go further wide. Almost every time I've ever seen an inside leg deflection it's trouble.

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

Judge for yourselves:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAXiJCGqNdE

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Ah, ok. So it hot the 9 in the back (edit: upper left arm?) which is what put the top spin on it? Not conclusive but quite likely.

Forde's post-goal reaction was one of surprise. I can relate to that. Keepers react almost instantaneously to a shot, in terms of judging angles etc. It did look like Forde set himself as if there was no danger and then all of a sudden there was.

No. 9 didn't flinch though, which I'd expect if he'd been hit, but it was probably a graze more than anything else.

Yeah I'm the exact same as Stutts on this. If there is a deflection it changes everything. To be fair it would explain the crazy dip so ye're probably right. It takes a hell of a lot away from the goal itself also if it is the case. God knows where it would have ended up without the nick, even if it is a slight one.

I'd say #9 did flinch. He looks like somebody who, if he wasn't grazed by the ball, was very close to it. With the power in that shot, all it would take is a skim to go off course like that.

Strange that we now expect an unparalleled (in the universe) standard of goalkeeping from an old timer and an away performance against an east european nation far surpassing anything that we have managed before, since the break up of the USSR. MON and Keano should put in for raise.

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

Yeah I'm the exact same as Stutts on this. If there is a deflection it changes everything. To be fair it would explain the crazy dip so ye're probably right. It takes a hell of a lot away from the goal itself also if it is the case. God knows where it would have ended up without the nick, even if it is a slight one.

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And it completely changes the impending lucky manager accusations! David Kelly and the Indo sports department have probably already compiled a list of reasons why O'Neill is a lucky manager, discrediting our 100pc record after 7 games.

Caught the World Champions on a wet night, Poland's players didn't like their away strip, our critical 6th goal against Gibraltar was offside, Marshall's blatant upending of Shane Long in the penalty box drew an unsportsmanlike appeal for a penalty from Robbie Brady...

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

And it completely changes the impending lucky manager accusations! David Kelly and the Indo sports department have probably already compiled a list of reasons why O'Neill is a lucky manager, discrediting our 100pc record after 7 games.

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He's also cowardly.

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Originally Posted by geysir

Strange that we now expect an unparalleled (in the universe) standard of goalkeeping from an old timer and an away performance against an east european nation far surpassing anything that we have managed before, since the break up of the USSR. MON and Keano should put in for raise.

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I am with you in spirit but our record in ex-USSR is decent. Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Armenia, Georgia, even Mother Russia herself. No worries there. Hungary and our last outing in Bulgaria were decent destinations, and Albania wasn't a disaster.

Our record in ex-Jug of Saliva is much less impressive.

There's Eastern Europe and Yugoslav Eastern Europe!

Is it really that critical to have thought Forde should have saved that shot without having seen the deflection? I think we have reasonable expectations of Forde.

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Is it really that critical to have thought Forde should have saved that shot without having seen the deflection? I think we have reasonable expectations of Forde.

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Just to say, I'm not calling for Forde's head as a result of that goal going in; it's because I feel Westwood is the better keeper, and that if we're to use the ball better from the last line of defence (or first line of offence) then Westwood is the man, while also being the better keeper.

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

Yeah I'm the exact same as Stutts on this. If there is a deflection it changes everything. To be fair it would explain the crazy dip so ye're probably right. It takes a hell of a lot away from the goal itself also if it is the case. God knows where it would have ended up without the nick, even if it is a slight one.

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I have it down loaded in HD and watching on VLC player, they used to have a good frame advance and slow motion
on it but that seem to have been removed. I can't see a deflection (does not appear to hit anyone) but it does look
like there was one, seems to be sliced one way and then move back the other, maybe the effects of wind and spin.
Pretty unsavable really as it is only at reachable height when it crosses the goal line.
I think maybe he should be on the goal line and closer to his left had post.

Having seen fordes position and being right behind the goal for their goal it looked like he curled it - no deflection. when watched after on the the telly it looked more like he got his boot under it on the lips, looks can be deceiving though - forde was too slow and his positional awareness was all over the shop so he was never going to be able adjust himself quick enough he hasn't that agility or ability.

Of course, McGeady has previous in turns like that: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1h...-rangers_sport